Greatest Super-Middle of All Times

[New England]

Eliminate the common wins, Kessler and Abraham. Froch's 3 are Pascal, Bute, and Dirrell (or Taylor). Ward's 3 are Froch, Dawson, and Bika.

let't not forget that prime / close to prime kessler beat froch, and the kessler who lost to froch was clearly past his best and having well documented eye issues.

[Box-Office]

let't not forget that prime / close to prime kessler beat froch, and the kessler who lost to froch was clearly past his best and having well documented eye issues.

Let's also not forget Ward entered the bout with a broken left hand in two places and dominated Froch. That was something.

[IronDanHamza]

for starters, you're a straight mong if you think miranda is a more historically significant win than dawson. dawson was on the p4p list at the time of the ward fight, and the LHW champion of the world. he had recently beaten bernard hopkins. edison miranda was not only a lesser tier of fighter, he was done by the time ward got to him.

you think froch has a better resume after looking at those wins?
why?
nobody seems to want to answer that question. they're probably afraid of looking silly because of the way they weigh these wins.


ward beat a better version of kessler, a version froch couldn't. he also beat froch himself. wins over bute, pascal and taylor are better than that? please.

Dawson was completely dead at the weight.

That wins holds little weight if any.

[New England]

Dawson was completely dead at the weight.

That wins holds little weight if any.

so you're on the list of dudes who think ward's win over miranda is better than his win over dawson?

[IronDanHamza]

so you're on the list of dudes who think ward's win over miranda is better than his win over dawson?

His Dawson win is meaningless.

Neither are good wins really.

Miranda was a decent fighter to be fair, the Abraham KO might have done a lot of damage to him though.

Probably would put Miranda higher yeah.

[ShoulderRoll]

If the Dawson win is meaningless does that make Pacquiao's win against De La Hoya meaningless as well? Oscar was dead at the weight too.

[Weltschmerz]

Im gonna go with Roy Jones. He was just outstanding.

Why not put up a poll?

[BattlingNelson]

let't not forget that prime / close to prime kessler beat froch, and the kessler who lost to froch was clearly past his best and having well documented eye issues.

Kesslers eyes was much better for Froch II than for Ward.

[New England]

His Dawson win is meaningless.

Neither are good wins really.

Miranda was a decent fighter to be fair, the Abraham KO might have done a lot of damage to him though.

Probably would put Miranda higher yeah.

it's got more meaning than miranda for anybody other than a biased forum user. who do you think pundits would agree with?


i also think you're forgetting something:

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kelly hit it first. this was a life altering beating. smoger let this one go on way, way too long. thrilling fight. set up taylor - pavlik, which ruined jermain taylor.

[New England]

Kesslers eyes was much better for Froch II than for Ward.

when did you turn into a straight up troll?

kessler's face was untouched for the first half of the fight.



try and actually bring something to the table, bat.