Muhammad Ali was not a great fighter

[butterfly1964]

ur right,


i mean its not like 3 guys who floored ali weighed 205lb or less

-or that a 180lb man nearly knocked out ali


- or that ali nearly lost on points to a light-H named doug jones.


i find it funny how these guys have a chance, but not a all time great fighter like rocky marciano.





funny how you call marciano "weak." this is a clear statement you know nothing about marciano. marciano was incredibly strong.

archie moore who fought many men over 220lb called marciano "far and away the strongest man i ever fought and believe me i met some tough ones"

charles who also faced many big heavies called "marciano the strongest man i ever fought"

almost every fighter who fought rocky testified on rockys amazing strength.


of course butterfly, you know more about marcianos strength thaan these guys. i mean you were in the ring with marciano werent you?

ali weighed like 180+ when he fought banks, and a little over 200 when he fought cooper. he wasn't in his prime in those fights. and frazier just wore down a slower, overconfident, and undertrained ali, that's all. and ali is definetely stronger than marciano.

[SuzieQ49]

and a little over 200 when he fought cooper. he wasn't in his prime in those fights

ali was in his prime vs cooper. it was the fight before ali beat liston.



ali was just 206lb vs liston, was he not in his prime for that fight?


ali was just 203lb vss kerl midlenbergar in 1966, was he not in his prime for that fight?

[hellfire508]

Wasn't Ali 210 against Liston?

[hellfire508]

And Q, I have to disagree on the notion that Ali was prime vs. Cooper. He was still very much developing. I don't even think he was prime against Liston. It was one of his most impressive performances, however it wasn't prime in my eyes. It was kind of like where Louis was when Schmelling beat him. Still developing, still green, feeling invincible.

[hellfire508]

Butterfly - stop using weight as an argument, it has no substance. Marciano would give Ali a run for his money.

Rocco - Ali couldn't handle Marciano, "no way, no how"? Are you kidding? That is just as bad as saying Marciano would have absolutely no chance against Ali. Their styles would make an amazing fight, a very close fight. Speed was the key to beat Marciano, pressure was the key to beat Ali. Get the drift?

[Heckler]

ali was in his prime vs cooper. it was the fight before ali beat liston.



ali was just 206lb vs liston, was he not in his prime for that fight?


ali was just 203lb vss kerl midlenbergar in 1966, was he not in his prime for that fight?

Ali was not in his prime against Cooper. His physical maturity come around 66-67 and this is quite apparent by merely looking at photos. And the fact that dundee noted this.

[Heckler]

Ali couldn't handle Marciano? yet he managed to handle Frazier twice who applied more pressure and fought at a faster pace?

[Da Iceman]

Ali couldn't handle Marciano? yet he managed to handle Frazier twice who applied more pressure and fought at a faster pace?

they both applied the same amount of pressure, marciano's fights seem slower because they always clinched him.

[Heckler]

From what ive seen i definately think Frazier applied a greater level of pressure. He would essentially rush at his opponents, in particular Ali. Marciano's crouching agression was a little slower, however the man never stopped throwing punches.

[Da Iceman]

it only looks diffrent because his opponets always clinched him when he got close