was dempsey a bum?

[QueensburyRules]

Why don't you address it? We haven't gotten anything from you but false dates and gibberish, pops

Give us more. Just make sure your link has correct information this time


Start here. Maybe you would find the answer to your question if you would stop ignoring what W. Pep has been saying to you.

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- -Still jiggling in U jello.

Two dates have been mentioned. How many other offers did Frazee make?

Point in fact U obsessive keister never even heard of Frazee until I mentioned him, so yet again U start with zero credibility.

Strap U BigBoy pants on and try harder to come up to the scratch line.

[travestyny]

- -Still jiggling in U jello.

Two dates have been mentioned. How many other offers did Frazee make?

Point in fact U obsessive keister never even heard of Frazee until I mentioned him, so yet again U start with zero credibility.

Strap U BigBoy pants on and try harder to come up to the scratch line.

Is there any point to your bullshlt? This is boring, pops. Try to string some coherent conspiracy theory together at least before you badger me about deciphering your horseshlt that everyone here already agrees is irrelevant


Give us your proof that it was replicated. Your link is all scrambled and doesn't even make sense grammatically. Willy Pep already proved you wrong

[travestyny]

Strap U BigBoy pants on and try harder to come up to the scratch line.

I was trying not to take you seriously, but I have a feeling that you won't stop until you get laid to rest yet again. So here you are.

Willy Pep was clearly right. The offer was in 1922. Not 1920.

Here Dempsey is in July 1920 saying he is still holding onto the color line and only accepting challenges from "pale-skinned gentlemen."

If Fulton wins, yes. But if Wills wins, NO.

That should stop your babbling, pops. Go to bed.

[Willie Pep 229]

Here are a some of the 1922 offers Kearns received, this doesn't include the hundreds of back-and-forth offers made between Kearns-Rickard-Mullins.

Promoters in Boldface.

February 2nd: William A. Brady -- Wills (no site mentioned) ($200,000)

March 5th: Harry Frazee -- Wills in New Jersey ($350,000)

April 25th: George McDonald -- Wills in London (No money mentioned)

May 6th: London Backers (?) -- Carpentier in London or Paris (Kearns/Dempsey claim backers in Europe for rematch.)

May 11th: Frank Flournoy -- Wills in Montreal (Flournoy makes secret visit to Canada and claims 'big backers' await. Backs off very next day.)

June 30th: John McGarvey -- Wills in Pittsburgh ($100,000)

July 10th: John Bell -- Greb in Pittsburgh ($100,000 guaranteed, plus %)

July 14th: James J. Butterly/Academy Athletic Club -- Wills in New York (50% to the principals, the rest to charity. I wonder how hard Kearns laughed at that one?)

July 19th: Republic Athletic Club -- Wills in New York ($300,000 proposed but not guaranteed)

July 24th: Margolies Sporting Club -- Wills in New York (no money mentioned)

August 8th: Tex Rickard -- Luis Firpo in South America (No money offered)

August 9th: Floyd Fitzsimmons -- Bill Brennan in Michigan City, Indiana (no money mentioned)

August 26th: JJ Naco -- Wills in Kingston Jamaica (Asked Kearns to give a figure)

August 27th: Jimmy Coffroth -- Jack Johnson in Mexico City ($500,000)

Come September there will be no more "Wills" offers made until the following year, spring. A funny thing happens -- Battling Siki stops Carpentier in France and everyone goes Siki crazy in New York.

It seems all those self proclaimed champions of racial equality and justice only had room for one black contender at a time. Kearns now gets Siki offers, and refuses. (How come no one claims Dempsey 'ducked' Siki?)

Harry Wills gets put on the back burner and stays there until Battling Siki only looks so-so against Mike McTigue come March of '23.

P.S. November 25th: There is a $100,000 offer to wrestle Strangler Lewis.

[travestyny]

Harry Wills gets put on the back burner and stays there until Battling Siki only looks so-so against Mike McTigue come March of '23.

Dude, that was a timeframe of about 6 months. You make it sound like a major event.


Siki lost 4 of his next 6 fights after Carpentier.

[QueensburyRules]

Is there any point to your bullshlt? This is boring, pops. Try to string some coherent conspiracy theory together at least before you badger me about deciphering your horseshlt that everyone here already agrees is irrelevant


Give us your proof that it was replicated. Your link is all scrambled and doesn't even make sense grammatically. Willy Pep already proved you wrong

- -Them saber boys quite a bit smarter than U prepubescent adolescence.

Certified $ in the bank purses and venue.

Neither Wills nor Dempsey turned them down.

Time for U to strap on U smarty phone panties and give us U skinny...snickers!

[QueensburyRules]

Here are a some of the 1922 offers Kearns received, this doesn't include the hundreds of back-and-forth offers made between Kearns-Rickard-Mullins.

Promoters in Boldface.

February 2nd: William A. Brady -- Wills (no site mentioned) ($200,000)

March 5th: Harry Frazee -- Wills in New Jersey ($350,000)

April 25th: George McDonald -- Wills in London (No money mentioned)

May 6th: London Backers (?) -- Carpentier in London or Paris (Kearns/Dempsey claim backers in Europe for rematch.)

May 11th: Frank Flournoy -- Wills in Montreal (Flournoy makes secret visit to Canada and claims 'big backers' await. Backs off very next day.)

June 30th: John McGarvey -- Wills in Pittsburgh ($100,000)

July 10th: John Bell -- Greb in Pittsburgh ($100,000 guaranteed, plus %)

July 14th: James J. Butterly/Academy Athletic Club -- Wills in New York (50% to the principals, the rest to charity. I wonder how hard Kearns laughed at that one?)

July 19th: Republic Athletic Club -- Wills in New York ($300,000 proposed but not guaranteed)

July 24th: Margolies Sporting Club -- Wills in New York (no money mentioned)

August 8th: Tex Rickard -- Luis Firpo in South America (No money offered)

August 9th: Floyd Fitzsimmons -- Bill Brennan in Michigan City, Indiana (no money mentioned)

August 26th: JJ Naco -- Wills in Kingston Jamaica (Asked Kearns to give a figure)

August 27th: Jimmy Coffroth -- Jack Johnson in Mexico City ($500,000)

Come September there will be no more "Wills" offers made until the following year, spring. A funny thing happens -- Battling Siki stops Carpentier in France and everyone goes Siki crazy in New York.

It seems all those self proclaimed champions of racial equality and justice only had room for one black contender at a time. Kearns now gets Siki offers, and refuses. (How come no one claims Dempsey 'ducked' Siki?)

Harry Wills gets put on the back burner and stays there until Battling Siki only looks so-so against Mike McTigue come March of '23.

P.S. November 25th: There is a $100,000 offer to wrestle Strangler Lewis.

- -Impressive, Pep.

Where the hell you find private offers made to Kerns a hundred years after?

Found em in a shoebox at a Jersey garage sale?

Got any Greb tapes you holding out on us poor rubes?

[HOUDINI563]

Why is anyone debating this Bull**** poster? Again the facts surrounding Dempsey not facing Wills have been known and understood for nearly 100 years. Dempsey was in no way to blame for the bout not happening. Wills himself years later cast zero blame upon Dempsey. Wills stated it was those who controlled the sport that would not allow the bout to occur. AND if it were up to Dempsey the bout WOULD have happened. That’s the man himself talking.

[HOUDINI563]

Muldoon:

“Dempsey has indicated his willingness to defend his title against all comers. I am sure if his sincerity. When the commission decided to accept Wills challenge that was done on purpose. That purpose has been fulfilled. Dempsey had agreed to meet Wills and it is no fault of his that no promoter could be found who is willing to risk staging such a mixed bout”.

Fleischer:
He was not afraid to fight Wills. If it were left up to him he would have been pleased to enter the ring vs Wills without any training but his manager Jack Kearns was opposed to such a match and Kearns was the boss.”

[HOUDINI563]

HARRY WILLS - AUGUST 11, 1956

Don’t blame Dempsey

Yes, I know, now, that Dempsey wanted to fight me, but the politics of the game were against it. Powerful politicians said that a black man shouldn’t fight Dempsey for the title. And that ended it.

I still think I had a great chance to beat him but I don’t’ think about that anymore.” Wills tells you. And he can still grin, at the humorous aspects of his career.