Prime Ali vs Prime Marciano: Who wins?

[juggernaut666]

HA! got ya! couldn't help youself! i told you pm me biatch, at the very least internet tough guy...gonna cry to daddy? wheres that vid by the way of your trainiing fiats. I know for a moron a title describing a video precludes other information it may contain...but thats just your ******ity junior! Most people can see other qualities if they emerge... duh!

Duh marciano can't throw combos duh because duh the video says its about defense duh!!! :*******:

Looks like you are the one CRYING now...almost every second he throws ONE punch not combos...and yea im really shaking from the REAL internet tough guy right above me as AGAIN I exposed you as your TRUE self...easy pickings here and would be iin REAL life to beleive me,you sound like a little kid who cant get his way...!

[Mintcar923]

I'm gonna back out on this and say IDK.. They are my top 2 heavyweights ever.. My brain says Ali but my heart says Rocky.. Ali could outslick him.. But, if Marciano gets him in a disadvantages position and Henry Cooper's him it's far more likely he will not make it through..

[juggernaut666]

I'm gonna back out on this and say IDK.. They are my top 2 heavyweights ever.. My brain says Ali but my heart says Rocky.. Ali could outslick him.. But, if Marciano gets him in a disadvantages position and Henry Cooper's him it's far more likely he will not make it through..

Cooper had length....70's Ali was harder to hurt and not much slower than 60's ali as they would have you believe....I could see Marciano landing on 60's Ali who used more footwork but was still susceptible to hits and didn't sit on his punches like 70's ali. just from my vid above which shows he was a one punch fighter,it would be very difficult stylistically for him,add in the 6'3 advantage well hes going to have a hard time landing continuously to Ali who would not just stay in one spot.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Cooper had length....70's Ali was harder to hurt and not much slower than 60's ali as they would have you believe....I could see Marciano landing on 60's Ali who used more footwork but was still susceptible to hits and didn't sit on his punches like 70's ali. just from my vid above which shows he was a one punch fighter,it would be very difficult stylistically for him,add in the 6'3 advantage well hes going to have a hard time landing continuously to Ali who would not just stay in one spot.

It would be a long fight no matter what. Ali would win the early rounds by far and Marciano would catch up to him in the later rounds. Overall, Ali would not stay in one spot like you said but Marciano would stalk him and make him pay when he did catch up to him. Neither fighter should be underestimated.

[juggernaut666]

It would be a long fight no matter what. Ali would win the early rounds by far and Marciano would catch up to him in the later rounds. Overall, Ali would not stay in one spot like you said but Marciano would stalk him and make him pay when he did catch up to him. Neither fighter should be underestimated.

I would have 60's Ali by decision...and 70's Ali by TKO in the 11th.

[billeau2]

Looks like you are the one CRYING now...almost every second he throws ONE punch not combos...and yea im really shaking from the REAL internet tough guy right above me as AGAIN I exposed you as your TRUE self...easy pickings here and would be iin REAL life to beleive me,you sound like a little kid who cant get his way...!

No I dont thrreaten people over the internet. wow one fight where he is not throwing a lot of combos proves that he cannot throw more than one punch at a time....not! First of all a lot of his combos are inside, because of his short stature....Would you call Andre Ward a one punch fighter because most of his combo work is done inside or closing the gap?

You have to look carefully at video, and at all ranges Juggie. Would you call Armstrong a one punch fighter because he has short arms and does most of his combo work inside? furthermore does anyone characterize marciano as a one punch fighter? no... he is characterized as a pressure fighter who, because of his short arms usually does his work coming towards, or on the inside of an opponent.

You should understand this...its not brain surgery. Again, look carefully at your sources not all punches happen at the perimeter...ok?

Just because a fighter is not a specialist in an area does not mean they categorically do not employ certain techniques. For example, Marciano had a decent jab and could slip punches well. he wouldn't use this against a tall rang fighter, but kight well use it against a fighter who had a reach closer to his own. if you want to watch him employ combos watch the Archie moore fight. Moore was not particularly rangy and did not have one punch power to beat him so...he used more of these techniques.

[billeau2]

In this match Ali's legs would have to be at his prime and his smarts at his twilight! Frazier was a good litmus test for Marciano. its more a matter of some very specific differences between frazier and Marciano which deserve some space but when Ali took a step back and got tagged by Frazier, this could also happen with marciano... thats for sure.

If Ali is on point and uses his legs he is at his best and wins, but if his legs faulter then marciano will finish him.

One difference between marciano and frazier is that frazier's hook and work while slightly less relentless than marciano's, was more effective from a midrange position. Frazier was hard to guage bobbing in (which is why he caught Ali that first fight so clean with that punch) and had faster hands from this midrange postion. Marciano really wanted to fight past the midrange and into the grapple, inside position. He had enough power to finish you...as my dear friend Juggy says, usually with a big punch (a suzy Q) but most of his work throughout was done on the inside past the midrange because of his short arms.

Neither Frazier nor marciano had the type of one punch power that a pure puncher has...someone like Tyson or Louis.... but both guys could break down a fighter and were hell in a 15 round contest especially.

[juggernaut666]

No I dont thrreaten people over the internet. wow one fight where he is not throwing a lot of combos proves that he cannot throw more than one punch at a time....not! First of all a lot of his combos are inside, because of his short stature....Would you call Andre Ward a one punch fighter because most of his combo work is done inside or closing the gap?

You have to look carefully at video, and at all ranges Juggie. Would you call Armstrong a one punch fighter because he has short arms and does most of his combo work inside? furthermore does anyone characterize marciano as a one punch fighter? no... he is characterized as a pressure fighter who, because of his short arms usually does his work coming towards, or on the inside of an opponent.

You should understand this...its not brain surgery. Again, look carefully at your sources not all punches happen at the perimeter...ok?

Just because a fighter is not a specialist in an area does not mean they categorically do not employ certain techniques. For example, Marciano had a decent jab and could slip punches well. he wouldn't use this against a tall rang fighter, but kight well use it against a fighter who had a reach closer to his own. if you want to watch him employ combos watch the Archie moore fight. Moore was not particularly rangy and did not have one punch power to beat him so...he used more of these techniques.

That is ALL his fights,again no one will argue that point,because they would be liars or newbs stating Marciano was a combo puncher...ONE fight?That was a compilation just like the one you posted on showcasing his combo skills "WHICH HAD NONE" in a defensivive video anyway? No matter how smart you TRY and sound you are not going to be when you go out/off of the topic and even in the same topic I correct you ALL the time when you jump in though USUALLY you jump in the WRONG topic, again to SOUND smart but you only expose yourself..add to that Marciano did NOT have a higher work rate than Frazier who was more relentless b/c he used more punches per round,and the harder puncher between Louis and Marciano is debatable ..i'll take Walcotts word for it just like his statement Marciano was a ONE punch fighter not a combination fighter!....

[billeau2]

That is ALL his fights,again no one will argue that point,because they would be liars or newbs stating Marciano was a combo puncher...ONE fight?That was a compilation just like the one you posted on showcasing his combo skills "WHICH HAD NONE" in a defensivive video anyway? No matter how smart you TRY and sound you are not going to be when you go out/off of the topic and even in the same topic I correct you ALL the time when you jump in though USUALLY you jump in the WRONG topic, again to SOUND smart but you only expose yourself..add to that Marciano did NOT have a higher work rate than Frazier who used more punches per round,and the harder puncher between Louis and Marciano is debatable ..i'll take Walcotts word for it just like his statement of Marciano was a ONE punch at a time fighter!....

Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said Marciano was a combo puncher I said he could utilize a range of skills when it suited the situation. This included against certain fighters, combos, on the inside particularly. I said marciano was more relentless I never mentioned work rate or punches thrown. Relentless is a quality it is not directly related to the amount of punches thrown.

[juggernaut666]

Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said Marciano was a combo puncher I said he could utilize a range of skills when it suited the situation. This included against certain fighters, combos, on the inside particularly. I said marciano was more relentless I never mentioned work rate or punches thrown. Relentless is a quality it is not directly related to the amount of punches thrown.

I dont have to put words in your mouth , you CLEARLY challenge me on page 17 and make more ridiculous remarks and further embarrass yourself with the wrong type of video anyway by jumping in once again without knowing what your talking about and now as USUAL denying and changing what i was talking about in the first place .,like bringing up inside fighting etc ,more b.s thats irrelevant to the TYPE /STYLE of puncher he was,your whole stance was trying to tell me he was a combo puncher ,your evidance was non existant but telling me he was CAPABLE of combo punching like its magic...

P.S being relentless would have to include amount of punches thrown ,not just standing there BOTH walked thru punches the differance is Frazier had more PERSISTANT motion and punches,though if you wish to engage a frazier and Marciano debate concerning that i will oblige you!