Is Muhammad Ali the #1 Heavyweight of all time?

[Suckmedry]

Lean, superbly conditioned muscle...
Do you even know the definition of that?

I know it might mean sitting on your couch and eating donuts in your case.

Ali was in good condition but he was far from being lean/ripped, he had great stamina but he was far from being a guy who carried 210-15 lbs very well like you see people of today.

Getting muscle in his era was more than possible aswell, yes he had a foundation of muscle but not anywhere close to the guys of today or even the guys he fought they were just a little bit bigger than he was and they carried the weight just a bit better hence why you'd never see Ali go to the weights of 250lbs if he was in this modern era.



Look at how the body evolves...

Arguably his best shape was in the mid 70s and then on after not as much, the body is something that should be maintained and improved on from start to finish.

Oh god just stop. I can't even read that bull****. Look at the famous "first minute first round" photo of Ali when he is standing over Liston. I'm sure even an imbecile like yourself has seen that photo. That is a prime, ripped Muhammad Ali.

[M Bison]

If only Ali had the "physical dimensions" of today's boys.

Chris "I eat you" Arreola and "Fastfood" Eddie Chambers.



Ali beat Plenty of big guys like Terrell who was similar size to Wladimir Klitschko.

It's a completely illogical thing to say that Ali wouldn't have beaten the guys of today when he beat actually skilled, big tough fighters with far better resume's than anything incl. the klitschko's have today.

Resume/Names are based on hype and how well the division was sold back then and you know that is true.

There is no reason to suggest that Ali wouldn't win but there is no reason to say he'd steamroll everyone in the current division.

[M Bison]

Oh god just stop. I can't even read that bull****. Look at the famous "first minute first round" photo of Ali when he is standing over Liston. I'm sure even an imbecile like yourself has seen that photo. That is a prime, ripped Muhammad Ali.

.... You're just so ****** that it hurts my head

So his prime physique ends straight after the mid 60s, here was me thinking a professional athlete would improve his body as years go on

[Fr3$h]

Ali's prime physique was when he was lighter than the minimum weight required to fight at heavyweight.

[Suckmedry]

I can't believe some of the trash that has been posted in this thread.

[Suckmedry]

.... You're just so ****** that it hurts my head

So his prime physique ends straight after the mid 60s, here was me thinking a professional athlete would improve his body as years go on

No believe me, it's my head that's hurting right now as I read this tripe.

Yes, Ali's physical prime was before his 3 yr exile. The Ali that returned after that was slower, less mobile and carried a little extra weight. Now please shut up.

[M Bison]

Ali's prime physique was when he was lighter than the minimum weight required to fight at heavyweight.

That is possibly true...

I'll say his best shape was in the mid 70s when he fought George Foreman, he looked in good shape there but you have ******s that are saying mid 60s lmao!!

[M Bison]

No believe me, it's my head that's hurting right now as I read this tripe.

Yes, Ali's physical prime was before his 3 yr exile. The Ali that returned after that was slower, less mobile and carried a little extra weight. Now please shut up.

Because you can't retrain and gain your conditioning back?

You try so hard to sound smart but it fails every time, I feel bad for you.

[Weltschmerz]

Oh god just stop. I can't even read that bull****. Look at the famous "first minute first round" photo of Ali when he is standing over Liston. I'm sure even an imbecile like yourself has seen that photo. That is a prime, ripped Muhammad Ali.

Yeah, and guess what, Ali was just over 200 lbs in that fight. Steve Cunningham sized. Doesn't cut the mustard today at HW. Simple fact, live with it.

[Suckmedry]

Greatest HW of all time has two different meanings, so there are two different questions.

Does he have the greatest resume/legacy? Probably, yes.

Would he beat Wladimir, Lewis, Vitali? Probably not. Maybe not even contenders like Haye, Peters, Sanders, etc. Shorter modern HWs like Povetkin? Not sure. HE would probably give them trouble.

Overall the HW division has transformed too much since then.

As for the size debate, it's not as simple as saying he was too small.

His height (6'2, 6'3" depending on where you look) would be a marginal disadvantage in today's division but not an impossible one to overcome. Only slightly below average. Not a short guy.

His physique (ripped at 180 lbs, soft at 220, fat at 240) would be a significant disadvantage against someone like Wladimir who is 240 with the physique of a welterweight and awesome punching power or Peters, 260 lbs of muscle with a bull-rushing style that gave Ali problems. I think Ali would get physically bullied a lot more than anyone was capable of back then.

His size COMBINED with his style -- fighting tall and long against less rangy guys -- would be his largest handicap IMO. Suddenly going from the physical specimen of his day to the skinny wuss of our day would require him to completely change it up. It's not his size alone, it's how his size would necessitate a complete change of fighting style.

So now haye, peter, sanders, and povetkin would beat Muhammad Ali. I am actually speechless. You have joined the ranks of Weltschmerz and red cyclone as the biggest morons on this site.