Is Muhammad Ali the #1 Heavyweight of all time?

[Suckmedry]

Not particularly a Wladimir fan. I approach him like I do Floyd.
Kinda dull? Yep.
Would humiliate 90% of their legendary predecessors? Yep.
Just deal with it.

But it's actually a somewhat similar situation with Floyd. He's a great fighter too, much greater than wlad, but he has had no one in front of him like a prime Duran, Ray Leonard or Whitaker. Especially in recent years.

See what you guys aren't understanding about boxing is there are levels in this sport. It's easy for a talented and skilled fighter to look indestructible when the guys in front of them aren't on their level. Match them with a guy on their talent and skill level and they're in for a fight.

[Weltschmerz]

But it's actually a somewhat similar situation with Floyd. He's a great fighter too, much greater than wlad, but he has had no one in front of him like a prime Duran, Ray Leonard or Whitaker. Especially in recent years.

See what you guys aren't understanding about boxing is there are levels in this sport. It's easy for a talented and skilled fighter to look indestructible when the guys in front of them aren't on their level. Match them with a guy on their talent and skill level and they're in for a fight.

What was Ali's best win?

Foreman? A limited slugger. Probably his best W. That rope a dope tactic won't work vs Wlad though, Ali would get KTFO in the first round if he fought like that.

Liston? Slow as molasses with not much skill.

Frazier? Highly, highly overrated and a complete midget by todays standards.

[BKM-2010]

This is what happens when a bunch of numb skulls out of NSB infect a thread.

[LacedUp]

This is what happens when a bunch of numb skulls out of NSB infect a thread.

I've just read through the latest posts.

It's embarrassing to read.

[Suckmedry]

What was Ali's best win?

Foreman? A limited slugger. Probably his best W. That rope a dope tactic won't work vs Wlad though, Ali would get KTFO in the first round if he fought like that.

Liston? Slow as molasses with not much skill.

Frazier? Highly, highly overrated and a complete midget by todays standards.

Liston slow as molasses with not much skill ? Your an absolute joke. Liston had a phenomenal reach for his height, a ramrod jab and a well schooled kit of punches. Plus a solid chin and great strength.

[BKM-2010]

I've just read through the latest posts.

It's embarrassing to read.

Yeah, I wouldn't even bother with them as they don't even have the proper knowledge to have a dumb opinion. It's not worth it.

[M Bison]

Yeah, I wouldn't even bother with them as they don't even have the proper knowledge to have a dumb opinion. It's not worth it.

Notice the sheer ignorance of an ignorant narrow minded little fool, If you can't accept other thoughts and opinions then perhaps you should not been on this site in the first place you idiot.

Oooh but duurrr your opinion isn't similar to mines...

[Elroy1]

I don't care for your insults LacedUp or accusations. I think I'm trying to be pretty fair here and respectful.

You think that it's a remote idea that maybe size might be a factor and only the heavyweightblog author would ever use it to justify an opinion?

Size matters in any contact sport or any fight in real life. It isn't deterministic but it certainly plays a huge role.

Muhammad's opponents were around 200lbs on the average. What do you think would happen if Lennox Lewis or Wladimir Klitschko fought someone that small?

When he took on Mormeck he was abused. Yet Mormeck was basically the same weight as prime George Foreman and even more conditioned. Even Eddie Chambers weighed 210lbs, almost the same weight as "prime" Ali. This was Wladimir's smallest opponent.

6'3" was tall back then, Ali out-talled nearly all his opponents, today it is an average height. 215lbs was a big HW back then, today it is about as small as HW's get. That's just common sense, you are trying to make Ali bigger than he was.

Anyhow, you asked me to provide examples of Lewis/Wlad opponents that would be maybe too big for Ali to handle. I tell you I am not going to do that, because I know where it leads and I definitely do not want to go down the garden path, you will just abuse me for suggesting any boxer I pick I can see that.

If we can't have a serious discussion about it with due respect then we might as well drop it.

All I can say is why start the thread if you can't tolerate any debate?

If you still REALLY want to debate it, we could do it in inbox off the history section right? Friends now lol

[BKM-2010]

Notice the sheer ignorance of an ignorant narrow minded little fool, If you can't accept other thoughts and opinions then perhaps you should not been on this site in the first place you idiot.

Oooh but duurrr your opinion isn't similar to mines...

Why don't you stick to mentally masturbating about Pacquiao and Floyd "stans" up in that mental ward in NSB like you do best and leave boxing history to the people who respect it and know something about it. Any one of the legit posters in this section have forgotten more about the sport than you've ever known, you pathetic worm. That's all you're getting from me, kid.

[LacedUp]

I don't care for your insults LacedUp or accusations. I think I'm trying to be pretty fair here and respectful.

You think that it's a remote idea that maybe size might be a factor and only the heavyweightblog author would ever use it to justify an opinion?

Size matters in any contact sport or any fight in real life. It isn't deterministic but it certainly plays a huge role.

Muhammad's opponents were around 200lbs on the average. What do you think would happen if Lennox Lewis or Wladimir Klitschko fought someone that small?

When he took on Mormeck he was abused. Yet Mormeck was basically the same weight as prime George Foreman and even more conditioned. Even Eddie Chambers weighed 210lbs, almost the same weight as "prime" Ali. This was Wladimir's smallest opponent.

6'3" was tall back then, Ali out-talled nearly all his opponents, today it is an average height. 215lbs was a big HW back then, today it is about as small as HW's get. That's just common sense, you are trying to make Ali bigger than he was.

Anyhow, you asked me to provide examples of Lewis/Wlad opponents that would be maybe too big for Ali to handle. I tell you I am not going to do that, because I know where it leads and I definitely do not want to go down the garden path, you will just abuse me for suggesting any boxer I pick I can see that.

If we can't have a serious discussion about it with due respect then we might as well drop it.

All I can say is why start the thread if you can't tolerate any debate?

If you still REALLY want to debate it, we could do it in inbox off the history section right? Friends now lol

Because you can't .

Dude stop the trolling please.