Sugar Ray Robinson, Charles, Greb and Armstrong have the best resumes of all time

[Anthony342]

He lost to journeyman Tiger Jones, got dominated actually.

Not in his prime of course but before 2 MW title wins and his wins over Olsen, Turpin and his legendary KO of Fullmer and still while he was one of the best fighters in the world.

Can you imagine if Mayweather lost to a journeyman at this stage of his career? Hell, he just beat Maidana who's a good fighter and because he didn't dominate has had huge criticism come his way.

I'm not saying Mayweather is close to Robinson because of course he is no where near Robinson but the standards set for Mayweather are something I've never, ever seen.

That's what happens when someone is that talented and unbeaten and has reached such a high level in his weight class. The standards are set higher and higher and they're expected to keep winning.

[joeandthebums]

Cool stuff man - You'll love this read about an incident Robinson got into with a murderer's row guy-

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/...n-the-sidewalk

Some of that is so surprising (Robinson not paying the biggest) that it definitely needs to be verified by other sources, visual proof of evidence would be great too.

Don't know too much about this area of Robinson career at present, still looking over early days. I do know few bits about Belloise fight.

It was originally scheduled for March 16th at the Garden, Robinson wanted it to be a eliminator bout with the winner getting the champ Graziano.

It was rescheduled for December 2nd, Jersey City Armory, but pushed back another week to accommodate another Robinson-Brimm contest in Buffalo on November 30th. The Robinson-Brimm fight didn't happen until March 15th the following year.

Robinson didn't fight between November 11th 1948 and February 15th 1949. So story fits, but needs to looking into for sure.

I haven't head any of the stuff from that article before, but I when get round to that time period will definitely take it into consideration when searching for information.

[Holywarrior]

Some of that is so surprising (Robinson not paying the biggest) that it definitely needs to be verified by other sources, visual proof of evidence would be great too.

Don't know too much about this area of Robinson career at present, still looking over early days. I do know few bits about Belloise fight.

It was originally scheduled for March 16th at the Garden, Robinson wanted it to be a eliminator bout with the winner getting the champ Graziano.

It was rescheduled for December 2nd, Jersey City Armory, but pushed back another week to accommodate another Robinson-Brimm contest in Buffalo on November 30th. The Robinson-Brimm fight didn't happen until March 15th the following year.

Robinson didn't fight between November 11th 1948 and February 15th 1949. So story fits, but needs to looking into for sure.

I haven't head any of the stuff from that article before, but I when get round to that time period will definitely take it into consideration when searching for information.

Take a look at the rest of his stuff, he gets vouched for basically on every forum and he has yet to be called out for Fabricating or lying about any instances. Maybe the most knowledgeable about this time period I've com across as far as those fighters go.

[LacedUp]

I'm not criticizing Robinson but like I said the standards on Floyd are out of this world.

I think it's a case of both.

Maidana's improved but Mayweather has most definitely slipped a whole lot.

But in all honesty, then you yourself are feeding into the 'out of this world' standards set for Floyd by the fans.

He's arguably coming off his most dominant victory over a top opponent and champion in Canelo, earning him fighter of the year in the process.

He didn't look nearly as good in the Maidana fight, but as you rightly pointed out before the fight took place - it was a style he hadn't met in a long long time, but still managed to win a comfortable decision in the end (on most rationals' scorecards).

So is Floyd not allowed to have one semi-bad night like everyone else in history has had without fans claiming he's 'slipped a whole lot'? For all we know, he could do a Canelo on Maidana in the rematch, and where would we be then?

[Weltschmerz]

Tony Canzoneri should get a worthy mention in this discussion. He holds some outstanding wins over guys like Kid Chocolate, Sammy Fuller, Johnny Ja****, Jimmy McClarnin, Baby Arizmendi, Benny Bass, Al Singer, Billy Petrolle, Andre Routis, Battling Shaw, Frankie Klick, Lou Ambers, Jackie Kid Berg.

3 division champion at the age of just 21. Started out at bantamweight but went on to defeating world class welterweights during his career. This Italian American is a worthy mention.

[IronDanHamza]

But in all honesty, then you yourself are feeding into the 'out of this world' standards set for Floyd by the fans.

He's arguably coming off his most dominant victory over a top opponent and champion in Canelo, earning him fighter of the year in the process.

He didn't look nearly as good in the Maidana fight, but as you rightly pointed out before the fight took place - it was a style he hadn't met in a long long time, but still managed to win a comfortable decision in the end (on most rationals' scorecards).

So is Floyd not allowed to have one semi-bad night like everyone else in history has had without fans claiming he's 'slipped a whole lot'? For all we know, he could do a Canelo on Maidana in the rematch, and where would we be then?

But he has slipped a lot though. He's well passed it at 37 and an 18 year pro. Been saying that since 2012.

He's still the best but he's well passed it.

He'll never do a "Canelo" on Maidana, not at this stage of his career. Perhaps 2006 but not now

[LacedUp]

But he has slipped a lot though. He's well passed it at 37 and an 18 year pro. Been saying that since 2012.

He's still the best but he's well passed it.

He'll never do a "Canelo" on Maidana, not at this stage of his career. Perhaps 2006 but not now

We can agree he's not the same fighter for sure.

But slipping rapidly is harsh when he was coming off an excellent performance against Canelo. At least if you meant it in comparison to the Canelo fight.

I think we can gather how much he's regressed by his next fight.

[Scott9945]

We can agree he's not the same fighter for sure.

But slipping rapidly is harsh when he was coming off an excellent performance against Canelo. At least if you meant it in comparison to the Canelo fight.

I think we can gather how much he's regressed by his next fight.

It had to help that Canelo had no apparent fight plan and a clueless corner for the Mayweather fight. It appeared that being unbeaten gave him a big enough ego to think he would simply outfight Floyd on his terms. Maidana fought balls out and that's the way to attack a much superior technician with high mileage.

[LacedUp]

It had to help that Canelo had no apparent fight plan and a clueless corner for the Mayweather fight. It appeared that being unbeaten gave him a big enough ego to think he would simply outfight Floyd on his terms. Maidana fought balls out and that's the way to attack a much superior technician with high mileage.

That's true, but if Canelo would do what Maidana did, then he would have fought differently to how he's always fought. At the end of the day, any fighter has to bring his best abilities to a fight - and maybe Maidana's abilities were just less suited for Floyd than Canelo's were.

I'm reserving my judgement for his next fight.

[Scott9945]

That's true, but if Canelo would do what Maidana did, then he would have fought differently to how he's always fought. At the end of the day, any fighter has to bring his best abilities to a fight - and maybe Maidana's abilities were just less suited for Floyd than Canelo's were.

I'm reserving my judgement for his next fight.

I'll agree with that, two different styles. But Canelo had to do something to force Floyd to feel his age and he failed badly at it. Just like all these dummies that Hopkins has been fighting lately.