Sugar Ray Robinson, Charles, Greb and Armstrong have the best resumes of all time

[Scott9945]

He lost to journeyman Tiger Jones, got dominated actually.

Not in his prime of course but before 2 MW title wins and his wins over Olsen, Turpin and his legendary KO of Fullmer and still while he was one of the best fighters in the world.

Can you imagine if Mayweather lost to a journeyman at this stage of his career? Hell, he just beat Maidana who's a good fighter and because he didn't dominate has had huge criticism come his way.

I'm not saying Mayweather is close to Robinson because of course he is no where near Robinson but the standards set for Mayweather are something I've never, ever seen.

I don't think that Mayweather has come under huge criticism. More like an acknowledgement that his decline is official and that the end is finally in sight. Of course I'm discounting the irrational fans who look for any excuse to disparage him. Same with the Mayweather fans who won't accept anything not positive about him.

As for Tiger Jones, he was as you described but this is bound to happen to anyone who has had well over 100 fights.

[IronDanHamza]

I don't think that Mayweather has come under huge criticism. More like an acknowledgement that his decline is official and that the end is finally in sight. Of course I'm discounting the irrational fans who look for any excuse to disparage him. Same with the Mayweather fans who won't accept anything not positive about him.

As for Tiger Jones, he was as you described but this is bound to happen to anyone who has had well over 100 fights.

He most certainly has. Perhaps not in the media but atleast on this site.

It's as if he'd just been dominated in his prime by a bum.

As for Robinson-Jones, yeah he'd had over 100 fights but he still had a whole lot left in the tank. Like I said he went on to win the MW Title twice and was before some of his best wins.

I'd say Robinson then and Floyd now are in similar stages of their career. And Jones actually dominated him, in which Robinson was an 8-1 favourite. And the guy's a journeyman.

I'm not criticizing Robinson but like I said the standards on Floyd are out of this world.

[Scott9945]

He most certainly has. Perhaps not in the media but atleast on this site.

It's as if he'd just been dominated in his prime by a bum.

As for Robinson-Jones, yeah he'd had over 100 fights but he still had a whole lot left in the tank. Like I said he went on to win the MW Title twice and was before some of his best wins.

I'd say Robinson then and Floyd now are in similar stages of their career. And Jones actually dominated him, in which Robinson was an 8-1 favourite. And the guy's a journeyman.

I'm not criticizing Robinson but like I said the standards on Floyd are out of this world.

I don't take most comments on NSB too seriously. Too many posts by agenda driven lunatics rather than genuine boxing fans. My source for qualified impressions are from credible fans and media who I follow on Twitter.

I'd have been delighted to see Floyd lose, but he deserves credit for reaching for something extra under duress to squeak out a decision win. The only thing I'm trying to balance is how much Maidana has improved compared to how much Mayweather has regressed. It wasn't very long ago when Maidana was badly outclassed by Alexander and having to go all out against Soto Karass and Lopez, two fighters who wouldn't even give Floyd a good workout.

[IronDanHamza]

I don't take most comments on NSB too seriously. Too many posts by agenda driven lunatics rather than genuine boxing fans. My source for qualified impressions are from credible fans and media who I follow on Twitter.

I'd have been delighted to see Floyd lose, but he deserves credit for reaching for something extra under duress to squeak out a decision win. The only thing I'm trying to balance is how much Maidana has improved compared to how much Mayweather has regressed. It wasn't very long ago when Maidana was badly outclassed by Alexander and having to go all out against Soto Karass and Lopez, two fighters who wouldn't even give Floyd a good workout.

I think it's a case of both.

Maidana's improved but Mayweather has most definitely slipped a whole lot.

[A Young Vitali]

You're being unreasonable. Turpin was a very good fighter, certainly way above subpar. Robinson had over 130 fights by that time and stopped Turpin just a couple of months later.

"Relatively subpar". Turpin was more or less a dime a dozen solid fighter. SRR beat at least 20 guys who were better but he layed an egg in that fight and that has to count against your resume.

[El Jesus]

i also dont think its fair to compare floyds resume to someone like harry greb, greb clearly having the superior overall resume and always will, even if mayweather fought say, freitas, margarito (lol), cotto in his prime, casamayor and tszyu it still wouldnt have matched up in any way shape or form.

These guys are in a class by themselves
In the modern era theres just too much money and too many agendas to ever come close to such a resume. or any of these resumes. reading this thread has just been amazing

[joeandthebums]

"Relatively subpar". Turpin was more or less a dime a dozen solid fighter. SRR beat at least 20 guys who were better but he layed an egg in that fight and that has to count against your resume.

Turpin was plenty solid. I would not want to belittle his achievements. If judging him purely on his record without knowing the details behind it, you're not seeing the real picture.

Turpin was a vicious puncher who sadly found his hands to be a bit brittle. He lost early in his career because he relied solely on this single ability, huge punching power. Off the top of my head I believe he lost twice early on at the age of 19 because of this reason. His later losses were aided by his personal issues and inability to make weight - not excuses for his losses, just additional details that a W or L does not give you.

Turpin was not a long-shot against Robinson, you only need to read writing of the time to see there were plenty who felt he was more than capable of becoming the champion by whipping Robinson. Of course he was still the 6-1 underdog, but much like the misconception that nobody backed Clay going into the first Liston first - there were "experts" out there that thought Turpin had a good chance.

Robinson may have beaten 20 better guys, I'm not sure on that without taking the time to look, but Turpin was certainly one of the better fighters he lost to.

Turpin was considered second best in the division only behind Robinson himself immediately prior to their first fight and for some time before that he had been a top contender.

[StarshipTrooper]

You're being unreasonable. Turpin was a very good fighter, certainly way above subpar. Robinson had over 130 fights by that time and stopped Turpin just a couple of months later.

Robinson also fought that first Turpin fight at the tail end of a European tour where he fought 7 fights in 3 months.

[Holywarrior]

Robinson also fought that first Turpin fight at the tail end of a European tour where he fought 7 fights in 3 months.

The difference is Floyd won while Robinson didn't. Turpin wasn't anything special, and won some paper titles before beating Robinson. E

But even though he won, he was out of prime then (like Mayweather is now)

[joeandthebums]

Turpin wasn't anything special, and won some paper titles before beating Robinson.

British & European crowns. Paper titles?