Which past greats do you have Mayweather beating?

[joseph5620]

Ray is correct and I find it amusing to see people refusing to accept that because they feel it somehow lessens floyd's achievements. Sure guerrero tried but there is no way he tried HIS BEST. He tasted a few counters and said '**** this, I can't beat this guy, I'll just go the distance and get my pay check.'

I don't see why so many people here can't be big enough men to just say ... 'You know what, you're right. Let's move on.'

Ricky Hatton is an example of someone trying HIS BEST against floyd ... Guerrero is an example of somebody realizing they are outmatched and being happy to go the distance.

Probably because they don't believe you're right. It's that simple.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Good comments. These fighters aren't consciously stopping to try and win, but after continuously missing and getting smacked it is just human instinct to back off.

totally right.. A lot of guys just don't want to be embarrassed even though they would get more credit by not giving up.. Nobody ridicules hatton for getting stopped by Floyd because he came in shape, came to win, never backed down and simply got beat by the better fighter.. That's all anyone can ask for..

It's not just fights against Mayweather though. I've seen far too many fights the past ten years where when a fighter falls behind early they pack it in and stop trying to win, looking like they're just looking to last the distance with as little pain as possible. Not saying it happens in every fight but I've seen it become a lot more common than it used be. It's like there's been a noticeable sea change in the ethos of boxing coming into the current era. The "I'm-going-out-on-my-shield" attitudes of earlier eras, while not completely gone, is dwindling rapidly. Not singling out Mayweather opponents here because I've seen it in many fights not involving Floyd.

Very true.. Since about the late 90s when premium channels and ppv completely took over, I have seen alot of fitghers fold up and just look to survive ie haye-wlad, Shane vs manny, clottey-manny, etc

Surely it is fair to have some disappointment with the effort of Guerrero and Canelo though, that they didn't take the risks you'd hope they would to try and win the fight, ditto Rios against Pacquiao. I understand why they didn't but if you are a world champion shouldn't you fight with more heart and will?

That's why I give credit to Bradley for the manny fight.. Yes he lost IMO, but he never stopped trying and didn't shell up and look to survive...

[Scott9945]

Mayweather should be able to stop all of these guys!!! He doesn't for many reasons, he wants these young guys to know that we'll dance the 12 then get paid and no one goes to the ER! he has set the precedence and their going to follow him. He's the cash cow and their protecting him!

People on this forum need to get to a local show and watch guys coming up fight hard in every round and put the hearts on their sleeves to be seen by all!
I've been involved in boxing since I could walk my Dad handled fighters for different matchmakers and I did the same for many years. I also ran my own gym and had the top gym in Conn and New England for many years. I trained kids from 11 yrs old up till open class amatuers and had alot of success. I was the State Chairman for J O Boxing and the Region One team coach atb the Olympic Training Center. Handled plenty of guys on the first ESPN shows for TV back in the day!

Who else on this board can cover my path? Who here has worked corners in major amatuer & pro events? WHO??? Tired of this bull ****, I'm not trying to intimidate or belittle anyone but when someone who's experienced the events that I have and spent a life time in the sport on the gym level, business level, managing, promoting and actively in the corners gets callede ****** by a boxing forum champion I think its stinks!
I have videos dsent to me ever week to evaluate boxers, I do it here on the forum, try getting an experienced pro trainer to work for free!!!
If anyone here wants to hire me for inperson evaluations it costs money to get it! You have trainers on this board who give advices for free then you have fans who call them nalmes and belittle them. Its a joke, enough!!

Good God, will your constant whining and complaining here ever stop? Yeah, we get it, we are blessed to have someone with your expertise here. Now just try and get over yourself already. People who are impressed by your credentials already are, and whoever isn't, won't be.

[IronDanHamza]

I'm not saying your opinion is "******" I am stating I doubt you have any experience working in the sport! I'm not insulting your opinion as your doing to me! Enough of this bull ****, I'm so tired of dealing with people who would rather insult peoples opinions instead of just disagreeing!
I suppose Canelo gave his all too? The "fight" has been taken out of boxing and its become a "tag" event! Not only do the "top stars" don't give their all their opponents don't either!
Tired of you, I'd rather avoid you than continue to be called ****** from the safety of your computer. Have a great career in make believe boxing! Ray.

I'm not saying you are ****** per say I'm just saying what you are saying there specifically is ******.

You're saying he tried against Berto as opposed to Mayweather.

So the difference between Mayweather and Berto has no relevance there I suppose?

Guererro'a a versatile fighter once he realised that he's having no success forcing the fight he tried to adjust and box, he's naturally a boxer anyway. But that wasn't working either so he became a sitting duck. Guererro was trying, it's just nothing was working.

You're the one who started the insults you are the one who is talking down to others in this thread talking about "fan base folks" as if were just fans and you're some high and mighty opinion.

It's nothing to do with disagreeing it's to do with the fact your attitude is "I'm right no matter what because I'm higher than you" if someone disagrees with you.

You say you doubt I have any experience based off what? You know nothing about me.

I doubt you have any experience in the sport to be honest. At least not as much as you act.

[IronDanHamza]

Mayweather should be able to stop all of these guys!!! He doesn't for many reasons, he wants these young guys to know that we'll dance the 12 then get paid and no one goes to the ER! he has set the precedence and their going to follow him. He's the cash cow and their protecting him!

People on this forum need to get to a local show and watch guys coming up fight hard in every round and put the hearts on their sleeves to be seen by all!
I've been involved in boxing since I could walk my Dad handled fighters for different matchmakers and I did the same for many years. I also ran my own gym and had the top gym in Conn and New England for many years. I trained kids from 11 yrs old up till open class amatuers and had alot of success. I was the State Chairman for J O Boxing and the Region One team coach atb the Olympic Training Center. Handled plenty of guys on the first ESPN shows for TV back in the day!

Who else on this board can cover my path? Who here has worked corners in major amatuer & pro events? WHO??? Tired of this bull ****, I'm not trying to intimidate or belittle anyone but when someone who's experienced the events that I have and spent a life time in the sport on the gym level, business level, managing, promoting and actively in the corners gets callede ****** by a boxing forum champion I think its stinks!
I have videos dsent to me ever week to evaluate boxers, I do it here on the forum, try getting an experienced pro trainer to work for free!!!
If anyone here wants to hire me for inperson evaluations it costs money to get it! You have trainers on this board who give advices for free then you have fans who call them nalmes and belittle them. Its a joke, enough!!

A lot of what you're saying is nothing but speculation.

And what you're saying about yourself is backed up by nothing.

[M Bison]

Exactly!

None, He will retire early and duck all of them

He will cherry pick dem once they garbage.

[joseph5620]

A lot of what you're saying is nothing but speculation.

And what you're saying about yourself is backed up by nothing.

[Humean]

Very true.. Since about the late 90s when premium channels and ppv completely took over, I have seen alot of fitghers fold up and just look to survive ie haye-wlad, Shane vs manny, clottey-manny, etc

That's why I give credit to Bradley for the manny fight.. Yes he lost IMO, but he never stopped trying and didn't shell up and look to survive...

Even though I am a big believer in boxing being in good shape I do think there is some truth to fighters being a bit disincentived in recent times when they are fighting for their big pay day and the going gets tough. You are in the middle rounds and Mayweather and Pacquiao are significantly better than you ever thought, why risk getting badly hurt when you have just earned the money you have been striving for your entire career and that money won't be altered whether you risk getting badly hurt to win or play it safer to reach the distance.?

I agree on Bradley and he showed even more so against Provodnikov that he has the sort of champions heart that you usually associate with proper champions.

[billeau2]

This is an interesting debate....My only wish is that it be kept civil....Iron Dan I don't think Ray is lying about his credentials....Ray, your insights need other knowledgable people coming from a different perspective like Iron Dan. Frankly I really like the back and fourth because I am still considering this point of view.

I do think fighters react psychologically different in the ring.... I am pondering the comments made by posters because its fascinating to look carefully at this issue. My opinion is "I don't know what to make of the boxing clinic." I.e. when a guy like Jones shows his skills, and is never in any danger.

Mayweather has incredible eye hand coordination and timing....learned skills that he has perfected through practice. But is he so risk averse? is he mixing roles as a promoter/meal ticket? Do these young guys just accept it like a cuff on the ears?

A lot to think about. Someone made a comment about the Hatton fight as being different and I thought that was brilliant! Ricki did lay it on the line he did!! that might be something we can all agree on.

[Chino ice]

it's hard to say. To be honest I have a hard time picking Mayweather over any fighters from the past. Mainly because he has a hoodrat persona that grinds my gears. If he wasn't so ****** I might be able to see this differently.

I long for the days of classy fighters like barrera, chavez, morales, Duran mancini, O'grady, gatti ward and many others. Mayweather's hoodrat superstar status really spits in the face of past greats.