Which past greats do you have Mayweather beating?

[IronDanHamza]

If you think thast Robert put the same effort forward as he did with Berto you don't know much about effort! I could see it ihn Roberts eyes that night, he got the big fight and was happy just to be there!
These are intangibles that fan base folks don't see because they don't know it! 'If anyone thinks Mayweather handles the great fighters I mentioned thats fine. I don't think he stands up to very many of them and then theres the welter division that he would be "handled" easily!!
Imagine this lil tiny guy in with Robinson, Hearns, Leonard, Gavalin etc. hell he would be in even and actually deep with the Currys, Starlings, Tito etc.
This guy is barely 5' 7" and in top condition weighs 142-144lbs. he's a midget!
Same ol' hog wash about lil Floyd and Calzaghe and Wlad and all the "current superstars" against the real greats they'd be handling their bags! nite kidz!
Ray

It's funny you talk about "fan base folks" because saying "Guererro tried against Berto but didn't against Mayweather" is exactly what I'd expect from one of the "fan base folks"

I mean, it seems pretty damn obvious to me that Guererro is not going to be successful against Mayweather as he was against Berto because they are two completely different class of fighters.

Berto's not got a good defense, he's not a good counter puncher, and he's not got good footwork so that mauling style that Guererro implemented worked well. Trying the same thing against Mayweather isn't going to work because he will counter you and thus make you tentative and pick you off which is exactly what happened.

Pretty simple stuff really.

[Ray Corso]

Your missing my point completely! I'm not saying that Robert would have "success" against Floyd as he did with Berto I'm speaking of effort!
He did not give his max effort that night, its as simple as that! His best would not beat Floyd but I'm NOT saying it would!
You think he tried but couldn't get off and I'm telling you after a few rounds his effort was weak! When you work corners for over 45 years and have participated in thousands of bouts you develop insights that someone who has zero experience can't see and often can't understand!
Why the hell should I oplogize for my knowledge and accept your perception when you've never been involved in any training process or have worked in a corner. If you think watching fights as an outsider gives you the same perspective that a man whose worked in the sport for as long as I did you should turn your talents over to ********!!! Try to digest what I'm saying instead of trying to read into what I'm speaking of. Ray.

[IronDanHamza]

Your missing my point completely! I'm not saying that Robert would have "success" against Floyd as he did with Berto I'm speaking of effort!
He did not give his max effort that night, its as simple as that! His best would not beat Floyd but I'm NOT saying it would!
You think he tried but couldn't get off and I'm telling you after a few rounds his effort was weak! When you work corners for over 45 years and have participated in thousands of bouts you develop insights that someone who has zero experience can't see and often can't understand!
Why the hell should I oplogize for my knowledge and accept your perception when you've never been involved in any training process or have worked in a corner. If you think watching fights as an outsider gives you the same perspective that a man whose worked in the sport for as long as I did you should turn your talents over to ********!!! Try to digest what I'm saying instead of trying to read into what I'm speaking of. Ray.

You don't know anything about me and my experience. Just because I don't talk about it like you doesn't mean I don't have any. You don't know a single thin about me.

You act like you're the only person in the world who has any experience in Boxing on a Boxing website no less.

I know exactly what you're trying to say in regards to Guererro what I'm telling you is it's a ****** line of thinking.

Guererro tried his best, he gave his best effort but when he was getting picked off and countered he became tentative to rush in because his plan wasnt working and he was being shut down and thus his output was forced to drop considerably in comparison to Berto where he wasn't met with these same problems thus he could maul and open up as much he wanted without much consequence.

Again, pretty simple stuff.

[Ray Corso]

I'm not saying your opinion is "******" I am stating I doubt you have any experience working in the sport! I'm not insulting your opinion as your doing to me! Enough of this bull ****, I'm so tired of dealing with people who would rather insult peoples opinions instead of just disagreeing!
I suppose Canelo gave his all too? The "fight" has been taken out of boxing and its become a "tag" event! Not only do the "top stars" don't give their all their opponents don't either!
Tired of you, I'd rather avoid you than continue to be called ****** from the safety of your computer. Have a great career in make believe boxing! Ray.

[Daddy T]

Ray is correct and I find it amusing to see people refusing to accept that because they feel it somehow lessens floyd's achievements. Sure guerrero tried but there is no way he tried HIS BEST. He tasted a few counters and said '**** this, I can't beat this guy, I'll just go the distance and get my pay check.'

I don't see why so many people here can't be big enough men to just say ... 'You know what, you're right. Let's move on.'

Ricky Hatton is an example of someone trying HIS BEST against floyd ... Guerrero is an example of somebody realizing they are outmatched and being happy to go the distance.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Ghost tried for the first 2 rounds, but then realized floyd is on a whole other level than aydin, katsidis, berto, etc

Same thing with canelo,, canelo quickly realized this dude aint old shane or trout...

I think guys give good efforts early, but floyd takes their fighting soul after a few rounds since he shuts down everything you try, and makes you look like a novice pro..
He does that to about everyone he fights, so floyd should get credit for taking their fighting soul..
Only a handful of guys continue to put in solid effort after floyd shows his dominance ie
oscar, cotto, hatton, chavez, JLC, famoso are about the only guys i have seen not fold after 4 rounds like canelo, ghost, shane, zab, etc

[Scott9945]

Ghost tried for the first 2 rounds, but then realized floyd is on a whole other level than aydin, katsidis, berto, etc

Same thing with canelo,, canelo quickly realized this dude aint old shane or trout...

I think guys give good efforts early, but floyd takes their fighting soul after a few rounds since he shuts down everything you try, and makes you look like a novice pro..
He does that to about everyone he fights, so floyd should get credit for taking their fighting soul..
Only a handful of guys continue to put in solid effort after floyd shows his dominance ie
oscar, cotto, hatton, chavez, JLC, famoso are about the only guys i have seen not fold after 4 rounds like canelo, ghost, shane, zab, etc

Good comments. These fighters aren't consciously stopping to try and win, but after continuously missing and getting smacked it is just human instinct to back off.

[StarshipTrooper]

Ghost tried for the first 2 rounds, but then realized floyd is on a whole other level than aydin, katsidis, berto, etc

Same thing with canelo,, canelo quickly realized this dude aint old shane or trout...

I think guys give good efforts early, but floyd takes their fighting soul after a few rounds since he shuts down everything you try, and makes you look like a novice pro..
He does that to about everyone he fights, so floyd should get credit for taking their fighting soul..
Only a handful of guys continue to put in solid effort after floyd shows his dominance ie
oscar, cotto, hatton, chavez, JLC, famoso are about the only guys i have seen not fold after 4 rounds like canelo, ghost, shane, zab, etc

It's not just fights against Mayweather though. I've seen far too many fights the past ten years where when a fighter falls behind early they pack it in and stop trying to win, looking like they're just looking to last the distance with as little pain as possible. Not saying it happens in every fight but I've seen it become a lot more common than it used be. It's like there's been a noticeable sea change in the ethos of boxing coming into the current era. The "I'm-going-out-on-my-shield" attitudes of earlier eras, while not completely gone, is dwindling rapidly. Not singling out Mayweather opponents here because I've seen it in many fights not involving Floyd.

[Humean]

Surely it is fair to have some disappointment with the effort of Guerrero and Canelo though, that they didn't take the risks you'd hope they would to try and win the fight, ditto Rios against Pacquiao. I understand why they didn't but if you are a world champion shouldn't you fight with more heart and will?

[Ray Corso]

Mayweather should be able to stop all of these guys!!! He doesn't for many reasons, he wants these young guys to know that we'll dance the 12 then get paid and no one goes to the ER! he has set the precedence and their going to follow him. He's the cash cow and their protecting him!

People on this forum need to get to a local show and watch guys coming up fight hard in every round and put the hearts on their sleeves to be seen by all!
I've been involved in boxing since I could walk my Dad handled fighters for different matchmakers and I did the same for many years. I also ran my own gym and had the top gym in Conn and New England for many years. I trained kids from 11 yrs old up till open class amatuers and had alot of success. I was the State Chairman for J O Boxing and the Region One team coach atb the Olympic Training Center. Handled plenty of guys on the first ESPN shows for TV back in the day!

Who else on this board can cover my path? Who here has worked corners in major amatuer & pro events? WHO??? Tired of this bull ****, I'm not trying to intimidate or belittle anyone but when someone who's experienced the events that I have and spent a life time in the sport on the gym level, business level, managing, promoting and actively in the corners gets callede ****** by a boxing forum champion I think its stinks!
I have videos dsent to me ever week to evaluate boxers, I do it here on the forum, try getting an experienced pro trainer to work for free!!!
If anyone here wants to hire me for inperson evaluations it costs money to get it! You have trainers on this board who give advices for free then you have fans who call them nalmes and belittle them. Its a joke, enough!!