Roy Jones Jr better than Sugar Ray Robinson?

[AlexKid]

Well I may have made some mistakes from lack of knowlege, but no way can Ray compete with Roys athleticism, the guy is slow compared to Roy, he may have good timming but so does Roy, so does Hopkins and Toney, it dosnt make up for his physical gifts which is what makes him the superior boxer.

Speed is such an important attribute for boxing, thats why guys cant touch Roy, Ray was so much slower and if they were somehow prime for prime in the same weight class, Ray wouldnt be able to connect with Roy often enough, lets face it plenty of guys have had the power to put Roy away but if you cant connect with that power often enough flush enough, etc your chances of getting the KO are extremely slim. Even over 15 rounds.

[Anthony342]

To answer the original topic question, Roy Jones is the better ATHLETE than Ray Robinson, but not the better BOXER.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Dude you gotta realize that SRR was the truth,,,

Im usually very harsh on the old school guys because i think some are very overrated,, but SRR is an incredible fighter,, he is by far the best resume i have ever seen,,,
If you read about him, (which you should) you would know that SRR started at lightweight and dominated every weight class he campaigned in.....
SRR is the greatest ever IMO
Just do some reading and watching his fights, then revisit this thread,,, i think you will change your opinion,,,,

[SBleeder]

Well I may have made some mistakes from lack of knowlege, but no way can Ray compete with Roys athleticism, the guy is slow compared to Roy, he may have good timming but so does Roy, so does Hopkins and Toney, it dosnt make up for his physical gifts which is what makes him the superior boxer.

Speed is such an important attribute for boxing, thats why guys cant touch Roy, Ray was so much slower and if they were somehow prime for prime in the same weight class, Ray wouldnt be able to connect with Roy often enough, lets face it plenty of guys have had the power to put Roy away but if you cant connect with that power often enough flush enough, etc your chances of getting the KO are extremely slim. Even over 15 rounds.

Exactly which fights of Robinson's have you watched that have convinced you that he was "slow compared to Roy"?

[AlexKid]

To answer the original topic question, Roy Jones is the better ATHLETE than Ray Robinson, but not the better BOXER.

The more effective boxer, athleticism is an important part of effectivness as a fighter/boxer. We arnt measuring skill alone here. Genentics are all part and parcel.

[AlexKid]

Exactly which fights of Robinson's have you watched that have convinced you that he was "slow compared to Roy"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUYhj...yer_detailpage

This one and all of them.

Compared to Roy he is slow as hell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkMAf...yer_detailpage

Its quite laughable really.

[Humean]

Well I may have made some mistakes from lack of knowlege, but no way can Ray compete with Roys athleticism, the guy is slow compared to Roy, he may have good timming but so does Roy, so does Hopkins and Toney, it dosnt make up for his physical gifts which is what makes him the superior boxer.

Speed is such an important attribute for boxing, thats why guys cant touch Roy, Ray was so much slower and if they were somehow prime for prime in the same weight class, Ray wouldnt be able to connect with Roy often enough, lets face it plenty of guys have had the power to put Roy away but if you cant connect with that power often enough flush enough, etc your chances of getting the KO are extremely slim. Even over 15 rounds.

In terms of greatness there is not even a debate because it is very obvious that Robinson is significantly greater, no matter how great a fighter Roy Jones jr was in his prime his career does not even come close to comparing with Robinson's.

Now a more interesting question is who would win if they fought at middleweight. Robinson was at his best at welterweight and only starting fighting as a middleweight from around the age of 29 onwards although he did fight middleweights as a welterweight as was the norm back then. Indeed his only loss as a welterweight came against a middleweight, and a great one at that in LaMotta. That was the only defeat he had during his 20s. Roy Jones jr by contrast fought at middleweight only in his early 20s before moving to super middle, light heavy, and briefly heavy. In terms of size Jones was certainly the bigger man but i'm not convinced he'd necessarily beat Robinson at middleweight. It might depend one what version of each we are talking about.

I think Roy Jones jr may be the greatest athlete in the history of boxing and that his handspeed at middleweight was probably greater than Robinson, his footspeed was definitely quicker than Robinson's but Robinson was still pretty damn quick in hand and foot. Also Robinson punched very hard and he had a far more varied style and approach. In comparison Jones is almost one dimensional, when Jones lost some of his speed and reflexes he deteriorated quite considerably whilst Robinson was still at the top end of the sport when his speed and reflexes declined. There are also question marks on quite how good Jones really was, he fought in a comparably weak era for his weight and the one really high quality light heavyweight that was around he failed to fight (Dariusz Michalczewski).

[bklynboy]

The more effective boxer, athleticism is an important part of effectivness as a fighter/boxer. We arnt measuring skill alone here. Genentics are all part and parcel.

Of course athleticism is important, as is strength, punching power, speed, chin and endurance. Let's say Roy Jones speed and athleticism are superior to SRR. There are still the other factors to consider - and I haven't included training, experience, timing, ringmanship (ie being at the right place at the right time). There's still more to consider - will to win (guts/heart/whatever-you-want-to-call-t) being able to adjust to circumstances on the fly.

All these are important (and I'm sure there other points that I let slip by).

Here's something to think about - Ali also relied on his incredible speed but managed to win after having lost his "magic." Roy Jones hasn't. He should have retired after the second Tarver fight.

[AlexKid]

Of course athleticism is important, as is strength, punching power, speed, chin and endurance. Let's say Roy Jones speed and athleticism are superior to SRR. ) being able to adjust to circumstances on the fly.

All these are important (and I'm sure there other points that I let slip by).

Here's something to think about - Ali also relied on his incredible speed but managed to win after having lost his "magic." Roy Jones hasn't. He should have retired after the second Tarver fight.

"Let's say Roy Jones speed and athleticism are superior to SRR"

It obviously is you would have to be blind not to see that, and the fact you wont even acknowlege that shows you are just trying to win an argument with sales type techniques, not discuss points objectively or openly and honestly. I will no longer reply to you.

[bklynboy]

"Let's say Roy Jones speed and athleticism are superior to SRR"

It obviously is you would have to be blind not to see that, and the fact you wont even acknowlege that shows you are just trying to win an argument with sales type techniques, not discuss points objectively or openly and honestly. I will no longer reply to you.

The reason to say "let's say" is to not argue about it; to get past it and not discuss it.