Is De La Hoya top 10 all time at welterweight?

[soul_survivor]

Once I read where you said that Napoles "wasn't an elite fighter by any stretch of the imagination", you lost any credibility with me. His fights were filmed in living color, happened during my lifetime, and he would have sliced Oscar up like a Thanksgiving turkey. Napoles only lost to Backus because of cuts, and immediately destroyed him in a rematch. Oscar fought some big names at 147, lost to two of them, and could have lost to two more. Sorry if that comes off as pretentious.

Do you know how to read? I said Backus was not an elite fighter by any stretch of the imagination....damn the foolishness in here in almost unbearable at times.

[soul_survivor]

That was the most coherent but inaccurate post I have read on here. I can barely agree with a single thing you said and haven't really the energy to try right to convince you otherwise on all the things you said.

Let me just touch on one thing, you must have seen the Basilio Gavilan fight because about the only partially correct thing you said is that Gavilan outboxed Basilio in the second half of the fight. Gavilan didn't thoroughly outbox Basilio but he did outbox him in the last third of the fight. It was an extremely close fight that could have went either way, or a draw which is how I scored it. Basilio knocked out DeMarco twice in world title fights, in fact Basilio had 6 world title fights at Welterweight, which is a decent amount for that era. He won 4 and the two he lost were close and contentious.

Anyway De La Hoya might break my top 20 but definitely not top 10.

Like I said, rose tinted glasses, but since I brought up the Basilio point I'm glad other posters have caught on and are saying the same thing.

[Humean]

Funny, I rate 1 modern fighter in my top welterweight list but I have a bias for the modern fighters and against the old guys.

Well I didn't know that information, my assumption was wrong, it seems you simply have a problem with the supposed greatness of Basilio. So lets get this straight, De La Hoya wouldn't be in your top 25 Welterweights and Basilio would or would not be?

[Humean]

That's fair enough. But for posters to say he would destroy Delahoya is just madness.

I think only one poster actually made that claim. Others simply thought Basilio would beat De la Hoya, not necessarily destroy him.

[Humean]

damn the foolishness in here in almost unbearable at times.

You can imagine the turmoil others felt reading your second post.

Like I said, rose tinted glasses, but since I brought up the Basilio point I'm glad other posters have caught on and are saying the same thing.

GRBoxing stacked the deck against Basilio the same way as you, the only difference is you added a large dose of ignorance to the mix.

[GRboxing]

You can imagine the turmoil others felt reading your second post.



GRBoxing stacked the deck against Basilio the same way as you, the only difference is you added a large dose of ignorance to the mix.

Stacked the deck? I just said he wasn't a top 10 welterweight, and neither was Delahoya. Others agreed.


A lot of Basilio's greatness comes from beating Robinson, which wasn't at welterweight, and his exciting fighting style. Watch the Saxton trilogy and the Robinson fights, amazing exciting stuff.

[GRboxing]

Well I didn't know that information, my assumption was wrong, it seems you simply have a problem with the supposed greatness of Basilio. So lets get this straight, De La Hoya wouldn't be in your top 25 Welterweights and Basilio would or would not be?

I'd rate Basilio in a top 15, Delahoya around 20-25

[Oasis_Lad]

Absolutely not.

[Humean]

Stacked the deck? I just said he wasn't a top 10 welterweight, and neither was Delahoya. Others agreed.


A lot of Basilio's greatness comes from beating Robinson, which wasn't at welterweight, and his exciting fighting style. Watch the Saxton trilogy and the Robinson fights, amazing exciting stuff.

Stacked the deck by discounting the close fight with Kid Gavilan as if it doesn't count in anyway towards Basilio's greatness.

I have watched Basilio's fights, why do you think i've been so persistent in backing his greatness?

I'd rate Basilio in a top 15, Delahoya around 20-25

That is a fair enough judgement, it just raises the question of why you were arguing so much about the word 'clearly'. Even in your own terms Basilio could be considered 'clearly' better than De La Hoya. It was just semantics.

[Bolo Punch]

Stacked the deck by discounting the close fight with Kid Gavilan as if it doesn't count in anyway towards Basilio's greatness.

I have watched Basilio's fights, why do you think i've been so persistent in backing his greatness?

Even discounting the close fight with Gavilan, wins such as Ike Williams, Billy Graham, Pierre Langlois, Tony DeMarco x2 and Johnny Saxton x2 = a great welterweight career.