Is De La Hoya top 10 all time at welterweight?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I dont think oscar is a top 10 welter but he would give any welter a hell of a fight.....

[GRboxing]

Stacked the deck by discounting the close fight with Kid Gavilan as if it doesn't count in anyway towards Basilio's greatness.

I have watched Basilio's fights, why do you think i've been so persistent in backing his greatness?



That is a fair enough judgement, it just raises the question of why you were arguing so much about the word 'clearly'. Even in your own terms Basilio could be considered 'clearly' better than De La Hoya. It was just semantics.

I've seen Basilio's fights too. Just because I don't count him as a top 10 welter doesn't mean he wasn't great at the weight. Same with Delahoya.

[crold1]

I don't have him in the top 25 at Welterweight. I don't have him top 10 in any class that top 20-25 at 135 and 140 is arguable.

[ShoulderRoll]

If you were ranking based on who you think would win head to head, as opposed to resumes, would he be higher on your lists Cliff?

[crold1]

If you were ranking based on who you think would win head to head, as opposed to resumes, would he be higher on your lists Cliff?

Maybe, but not much. Welterweight is wicked deep on talent. He'd give a lot of guys good fights but I just don't see him beating many of the great ones in a class where you can go about 30 deep with HOF guys who spent part of their prime there.

[trank]

I think de la hoya deserves credit for the competition that he fought if de la hoya is not top 15 mayweather shouldn't be either

[Anthony342]

Overall, how good was De La Hoya? He was one of my favorite fighters to watch, I have them all. People say he lost all his big fights but the Trinidad fight was close and he won his two big grudge matches against Mayorga and Vargas. I know he has good wins, but how about great wins? What about the ones against Whitaker or Camacho? I know Chavez was past prime by the time he fought him though.

[GRboxing]

He is an easy ATG and first ballot hall of famer. Probably top 70. People say he lost all his big fights are fools. He won Ruelas, Hernandez, Quartey, Whitaker, CHavez, Vargas, etc. How were those not big fights? Chavez had only lost to Randall and Whitaker by the time Oscar fought him. And oddly enough didn't lose again until Oscar foughth him years later in the rematch

[Suckmedry]

Theres a few fellows in the past that weren't champions that could give Oscar everything he wants and more!!! I like Oscars style and his skills but he was not a more than willing type of guy in my opinion!! His conditioning wasn't superb and he was willing to coast at times and he lost momentum and rounds that way!! He could be in the top forty but no where near the top twenty five!
Ray.

Sums Oscar up in alot of ways. That said though, I feel DLH does get underrated a bit nowadays, it has to be acknowledged that on his best day he would be able to share the ring with any top fighter ever, not winning all, but he would compete.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

i would put Oscar's resume up vs anyone's...

Oscar may have never dominated a division like a hagler or roy jones but oscar fought everyone, usually at their peak, throughout his career,,,

Dude fought 4 p4p #1 fighters, pernell, hopkins, floyd, manny

plus prime undefeated champions like ike, tito, shane, genaro, sturm

throw in ruelas,, leija, mayorga, vargas, camacho


Oscar fought everyone, took on huge challenges like undefeated tito, roided vargas, much bigger hopkins,, much younger floyd and manny,,,,,

I honestly think oscar has top 5 resume of all-time,,,

Yes he didnt win all his fights, but you try fighting the guys he fought, and he fought them all prime for the most part,,,
I still get blown away by oscar fighting ike, tito, and shane in about 18 months,,

Ridiculous schedule,,, It a shame that floyd mayweather doesnt follow oscar's lead and make the big fights happen over and over again... The sport would be so much better