When we were Kings(Foreman on the bag :D)

[them_apples]

Marciano and Foreman were both freaks of nature in terms of natural punching power; arguing who may or may not have hit harder is kind of a mute point. Chances are they could put anyone away if they got to them clean. Rocky's Susie Q was actually measured at hitting with 900+ lbs of force and I wouldn't doubt prime Foreman's best punch being close to that. These men were both monsters who were going to hurt you when they landed good.

A lot of guys have been clocked at hitting higher than 900 lbs of force. Hell, some boxer on "fighting science" clocked around 900 lbs and he's a nobody.
(youtube fighting science in case you haven't seen it, I don't agree with all of it but it's worth a watch)

I've heard of guys like Bruno ,Lewis ,Tyson and shavers all hitting WELL over 1000 lbs of force, I'm sure Foreman could to.

[mcentepede]

In terms of power, knockouts and vs. other top-notch bombers, Foreman is the best, followed by Shavers, Lyle, Cooney, Marciano, and Lennox. You guys seem to forget that George"Meineke" Foreman flattened Moorer at age 45, proof that the last thing to go is a guy's power. Moore was twenty-something and the champ ( and just beat up Holifield)

[Thunder Lips]

A lot of guys have been clocked at hitting higher than 900 lbs of force. Hell, some boxer on "fighting science" clocked around 900 lbs and he's a nobody.
(youtube fighting science in case you haven't seen it, I don't agree with all of it but it's worth a watch)

I've heard of guys like Bruno ,Lewis ,Tyson and shavers all hitting WELL over 1000 lbs of force, I'm sure Foreman could to.

"The punch of a knockout fighter carries a huge amount of energy. Scientists will tell you that an uppercut which lifts a man off his feet requires the energy of ‘mgh’, where ‘m’ is the mass of the opponent, ‘g’ the acceleration due to gravity and ‘h’ the height to which the opponent is lifted. On average, it is reckoned that 700 foot-pounds of energy is required to manage this feat.
Around 1955, Rocky Marciano had his punch measured at a USA military installation, where it is believed that the test was conducted on a ballistic pendulum. Rocky achieved a score of 925 foot-pounds whilst wearing a 12oz. boxing glove. Those who witnessed the test could hardly believe what they had seen."


"Marciano's knockout blow packs more explosive energy than an armour-piercing bullet and represents as much energy as would be required to spot lift 1000 pounds one foot off the ground." Boxing Illustrated December 1963


You sound like your talking about PSI, not what Marciano's power was said to be measured in by the military. There was a claim that Bruno and a young Tyson were measured with Bruno edging him out with absurd figures. I'm not sure if there was ever any credible evidence of this or if it was a wise tell, there doesn't seem to be. Do you have any credible links for these other figures?

[marciano1952]

Is your brother fat and out of shape? does he know how to punch?

Ether way how has Marciano shown he has devastating punching power? Foreman made guys keel over from one punch.

Size isn't everything because some of the "bigger" guys don't know how to punch. Jess Willard was a lousy puncher, he didn't know how to put his weight behind a punch, that's why Dempsey hit harder. I can punch harder than some 200 lb fat kid because I'm in better shape than him, and I know how to punch, he doesn't.

But find a bigger boxer who knows how to punch and low and behold...they break ribs!

Foreman was sloppy but he flung his weight behind his punches.

no he is not fat and yes he knows how to punch im just able to punch harder caus my punches are faster

Jess did know how to punch look at the Johnson Clip for Prof

Foreman like Tyson built up his KOes against bums and only trew punches with his arms and that seemed to cost him in his most important fight

[them_apples]

You sound like your talking about PSI, not what Marciano's power was said to be measured in by the military. There was a claim that Bruno and a young Tyson were measured with Bruno edging him out with absurd figures. I'm not sure if there was ever any credible evidence of this or if it was a wise tell, there doesn't seem to be. Do you have any credible links for these other figures?

I'm talking about lbs of Force, not psi.
I have heard of the Tyson Bruno thing, Tyson was 16, Bruno was 20+ Bruno punched at 1600 lbs of force, Tyson 1500. That could just be one of those forum circulating "facts".

anyways, give this a watch and judge for yourself.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XRNY_EG4IEc&feature=related

I'm not saying Marciano was weak, he was obviously smaller than the boxer in this video and hit only marginally harder, but a guy like Foreman or Tyson simply would rock the scales in terms of lbs of force.

Foreman like Tyson built up his KOes against bums and only trew punches with his arms and that seemed to cost him in his most important fight

Absolute garbage, every fighter builds up KOes against bums at first but Marciano was the MOST notorious for doing this, hell, his biggest wins came from blown up middleweights. I should also point out that Tyson, while I doubt he hit harder than Foreman, was a master of throwing punches, more so than Marciano.

Foreman Koed both Frazier and Norton in 2 rounds, they were definitely not bums.

Tyson Koed Spinks and Holmes....(Holmes had never been Koed, even by shavers, he also beat a prime Ray Mercer at this age)

[marciano1952]

Absolute garbage, every fighter builds up KOes against bums at first but Marciano was the MOST notorious for doing this, hell, his biggest wins came from blown up middleweights. I should also point out that Tyson, while I doubt he hit harder than Foreman, was a master of throwing punches, more so than Marciano.

Foreman Koed both Frazier and Norton in 2 rounds, they were definitely not bums.

Tyson Koed Spinks and Holmes....(Holmes had never been Koed, even by shavers, he also beat a prime Ray Mercer at this age)

really Marcianos Comp on the way up was better than Tyson or Foremans

one Spinks was Scared ****less in the fight and holmes was comeing off a 4 year layoff so not really that grat of win when you count in that when Tyson Finaly went up against a decent fighter he was KOed

Foreman was able to beat them so easyly caus they stood right there in froint of him just begging to be hit buy one of his wild swings

Talk about blown up fighters being biggest wins Spinks was Tysons biggest win and I would take Charles and Moorer over Spinks any day of the week

[Boogie Nights]

no he is not fat and yes he knows how to punch im just able to punch harder caus my punches are faster

Jess did know how to punch look at the Johnson Clip for Prof

Foreman like Tyson built up his KOes against bums and only trew punches with his arms and that seemed to cost him in his most important fight

so guys like Norton, Frazier, Lyle were all bums??? Idiot.

[them_apples]

Talk about blown up fighters being biggest wins Spinks was Tysons biggest win and I would take Charles and Moorer over Spinks any day of the week

Tyson cleaned out his division, number 1 contenders and so on. Not just Spinks and Holmes.

People call them "bums" because they got owned so bad, they did the same to Roy Jones. Many of Tyson's opponents were not bums and almost all of them were bigger than him, something Marciano never had to deal with.


Spinks was undefeated, he beat an undefeated Holmes, Cooney, and lost only once..to Tyson.

Tony tucker was also undefeated 35-0

Looking at Tysons record on Box rec, he had a Ton of stiff oposition that will never get recognized. Foreman had even tougher opposition.

Marciano fought small, 190 lb fighters, some of them older than your grandma.

[marciano1952]

Tyson cleaned out his division, number 1 contenders and so on. Not just Spinks and Holmes.

People call them "bums" because they got owned so bad, they did the same to Roy Jones. Many of Tyson's opponents were not bums and almost all of them were bigger than him, something Marciano never had to deal with.


Spinks was undefeated, he beat an undefeated Holmes, Cooney, and lost only once..to Tyson.

Tony tucker was also undefeated 35-0

Looking at Tysons record on Box rec, he had a Ton of stiff oposition that will never get recognized. Foreman had even tougher opposition.

Marciano fought small, 190 lb fighters, some of them older than your grandma.

Spinks lost twice only one was offical he lost to holmes in the rematch

Charles beat Louis and Walcott at heavy even thow wallcott beat him in the rematch

Marciano in his 5th fight fought a guy who was 15-0-1 and stopped him in one round

[marciano1952]

so guys like Norton, Frazier, Lyle were all bums??? Idiot.

no thows were after he had stepped up what I ment was on his way up

Both Frazier and Norton were made to order for Foreman that stoode right there in front of him