When we were Kings(Foreman on the bag :D)

[Southpaw Stinger]

I don't think Marciano could beat Liston in his 40's. Doesn't matter how well condtioned you are, Marciano would be looking at a lot of brain damage if he took the amount of punishment he did in his prime in his 40's. A 40's Marciano doesn't stand against someone like Liston, Ali. He might have a shot at Patterson though!

[RockyMarcianofan00]

like i said a comeback for marciano would be in his 40's
the last time Marciano wanted to comeback was when he was like 35 i believe so you wouldn't really be talking about him being 40's more mid 30's so.....but if he came back in his prime it'd be insane, but i suppose if anybody came back in there prime then it would be alittle nuts lol
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[sleazyfellow]

the only way rocky was gonna make a comeback is if igamar johansen or however u spell it won the rematch with patterson...if that tells u anything

[randy johnson]

yea Rocky hit aa huge homemade 300lb heavy bag which is ridiculously heavy
btw Marciano actually hit as hard or harder then Foreman (not talking p4p)crazy ya know


Another foolish white fanboy.If Marciano hit harder than Foreman then why did it take him 9 rounds to knockout glass chin guys like Archie Moore?Why does Foreman have more knockouts in the first 5 rounds than any fighting in heavyweight boxing history?How many 200 pound plus black guys did Marciano fight in his career?The best fighters he fought were a 40 year old Archie Moore who started his career as a middleweight.Ezzard Charles also started his career as a middleweight,Jersey Joe Walcott was pushing 40 and was only a cruiserweight not to mention he was knocked out5 or so times before he even fought Marciano.Most people felt Roland Lastarza beat Marciano in their first fight and Lastarza was only about 180 pounds.Many people felt that Ted Lowry beat Marciano in their first fight.At the time Lowry had 58 wins and 48 loses so basically he was a bum and Marciano never knocked him down in either of their fights.There is nothing more sad than racism in this day in age.But that fact RockyMarcianofan00 is a fan of Marciano proves you he knows nothing about boxing.
Foreman didn't use a 150 pound punching bag by the way.He used a 300 pound ones.They said he used the biggest they made and a 150 pound punching bag wasn't the biggest they made

[Thunder Lips]

Prime George Foreman destroying massive black men to build up his incredible ko percentage. The only knockouts that count.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hci4MCOonfk&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=e0Eut7OCdLg&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mNdJBK5zkRM&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=64MoBf1ImIA&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QNQJzTDo9CM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fu_sV4CCV80



BTW, I'm a huge Foreman fan and I'm not trying to argue he wasn't one of history's hardest hitters. Just pointing out how ****** and racist Randy's comments were. Outside of Ali and Young who both beat Foreman, his only prime win against a crafty defensive fighter is the older and much smaller Perata, a not very convincing decision and late stoppage. Rocky stopped LaStarza, Charles, and Mathews. He also gave the tough favored Rex Layne his first stoppage loss, who was coming off a win against Walcott. Marciano also knocked out 200+ lb black man Keene Simmons but the guy ****** so you should probably look for a different criteria of measuring power.

Foreman was probably a harder puncher I think but Rocky isn't too far off, a top 5 puncher at the very least. Because of his vastly superior stamina and endless pressure, Rocky may have been the more effective puncher against slicker more skilled fighters. It also said Marciano started holding back on his punches after he nearly killed Vingo, a tragic event that bothered him greatly.

[hemichromis]

Foreman was hitting heavybag like beginner: wild punches to stationary target. Basically it was example how you shouldn't work on heavybag. I really think that trainers ****ed up Foreman's technique. He learned some skills but his punches were always wide and he was too vulnarble for left hook and overhand right, Lyle showed it well.

actually the trainers ****ed him up after the ali fight, they were teaching him to throw straight in training but as soon as he went in the ring he reverted back to his old habits that he hadn't practiced in months. this is part of the reason why foreman had soo much trouble with lyle and young

[them_apples]

Foreman hits wayy harder than rocky, I'm hardly impressed by Rockies overrated power. I've seen videos of him hitting the heavy bag liston and foreman look like much much harder punchers.

[marciano1952]

Foreman hits wayy harder than rocky, I'm hardly impressed by Rockies overrated power. I've seen videos of him hitting the heavy bag liston and foreman look like much much harder punchers.

Key word Look LOL Fact is Power comes from technique and if your givein it at birth

Look I waight 140lbs and my Brother ways 215 or somthing like that but ask anyone that has boxed with eaither of us who hites harder they will say me and im 70lbs lighter than him

BTW everyone is forgettinn one major player in this conversation Jack Dempsey he KOed both the top 2 HW contenders in under 30 secounds befor getting his shot at willer and then look what happend to the monster for his time Willard was

Also Max bear is a major player in this aswell

[them_apples]

Key word Look LOL Fact is Power comes from technique and if your givein it at birth

Look I waight 140lbs and my Brother ways 215 or somthing like that but ask anyone that has boxed with eaither of us who hites harder they will say me and im 70lbs lighter than him

BTW everyone is forgettinn one major player in this conversation Jack Dempsey he KOed both the top 2 HW contenders in under 30 secounds befor getting his shot at willer and then look what happend to the monster for his time Willard was

Also Max bear is a major player in this aswell

Is your brother fat and out of shape? does he know how to punch?

Ether way how has Marciano shown he has devastating punching power? Foreman made guys keel over from one punch.

Size isn't everything because some of the "bigger" guys don't know how to punch. Jess Willard was a lousy puncher, he didn't know how to put his weight behind a punch, that's why Dempsey hit harder. I can punch harder than some 200 lb fat kid because I'm in better shape than him, and I know how to punch, he doesn't.

But find a bigger boxer who knows how to punch and low and behold...they break ribs!

Foreman was sloppy but he flung his weight behind his punches.

[Thunder Lips]

Marciano and Foreman were both freaks of nature in terms of natural punching power; arguing who may or may not have hit harder is kind of a mute point. Chances are they could put anyone away if they got to them clean. Rocky's Susie Q was actually measured at hitting with 900+ lbs of force and I wouldn't doubt prime Foreman's best punch being close to that. These men were both monsters who were going to hurt you when they landed good.

Marciano has stopped Rex Layne, Charles, and Walcott cold with single right hands. He also stopped Matthews and Walcott in the rematch early with single flush left hooks. He put the 6'4" Vingo into a coma that ended his career and he actually broke bones in LaStarza's arms. Guys like Louis, Moore, and Charles who have been around the block all cite him as one of the most damaging and hardest punchers they ever faced. I'm not sure how anyone could doubt his power unless they just focus on something like the ****ell fight where he was coming off an unusual long lay off from injuries and looked terrible.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=PgR4JHUSAo4

Tyson vs. Marciano silliness but it does show Rocky impressively moving the custom jumbo size 300 lb bag at the 1 minute mark.

I also don't doubt Marciano would blast away guys like this just as easily as prime Foreman:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wUW4ZXxw9Aw

As far as size goes again, I stress that Marciano didn't carry a ton of upper body bulk when fighting but he had very strong legs, short strong arms, and huge ****ing hands. His fists were 11.5-12 inches, roughly the same size or similar to Tyson, Foreman, and Lennox Lewis' fists while larger than 6'8" Vitali's. People base size too much on the scale.