Floyd is P4P #2 ever after SRR?

[beez721]

canelo is not very good, and neither was a 40 year old shane off a 16 month layoff,,, maybe to the casual fan, they posed a threat,, but to anyone that can handicap a fight, these were easy pickings for floyd

Gatti is an action fighter,, he ko'd dorin,, big deal,, he didnt deserve to be headlining a ppv vs a top p4p guy like floyd,,, no one gave gatti any chance, hell he was a punching bag for nearly every fighter he fought, I cant say that beating gatti is a great win for someone like floyd...

yes oscar fought some faded fighters, but he also fought a ton of prime fighter as well,,,
pernell was #2 p4p behind roy jones when oscar fought him and pernell was the lineal welter champ
ike quartey was still an undefeated champ that none of the big names wanted to fight,,
plus oscar fought a prime leija, ruelas, molina, shane, tito, vargas, hopkins, floyd, sturm, and manny.....

Oscar's period from 99-2000 he fought bigger fights than in floyd's whole career,,,

explain to me again what big fights that floyd has that can compare to pernell, ike, tito, shane twice, vargas, hopkins, sturm, floyd and manny,,, what does floyd have corrales, jlc, hatton,,,,,,,

face it,, floyd's resume sucks compared to other great fighters

pretty much agree with you altho I think canelo is a pretty darn good fighter and Floyd did totally dominate him

[joseph5620]

canelo is not very good, and neither was a 40 year old shane off a 16 month layoff,,, maybe to the casual fan, they posed a threat,, but to anyone that can handicap a fight, these were easy pickings for floyd

Gatti is an action fighter,, he ko'd dorin,, big deal,, he didnt deserve to be headlining a ppv vs a top p4p guy like floyd,,, no one gave gatti any chance, hell he was a punching bag for nearly every fighter he fought, I cant say that beating gatti is a great win for someone like floyd...

yes oscar fought some faded fighters, but he also fought a ton of prime fighter as well,,,
pernell was #2 p4p behind roy jones when oscar fought him and pernell was the lineal welter champ
ike quartey was still an undefeated champ that none of the big names wanted to fight,,
plus oscar fought a prime leija, ruelas, molina, shane, tito, vargas, hopkins, floyd, sturm, and manny.....

Oscar's period from 99-2000 he fought bigger fights than in floyd's whole career,,,

explain to me again what big fights that floyd has that can compare to pernell, ike, tito, shane twice, vargas, hopkins, sturm, floyd and manny,,, what does floyd have corrales, jlc, hatton,,,,,,,

face it,, floyd's resume sucks compared to other great fighters

Shane was 38, not 40 ,and he was coming off one of the most impressive wins of his career. Dominant win over Collazo, close loss to Cotto, knocked out Mayorga, and destroyed the monster at 147, Margarito. Manny Pacquiao wanted no part of him at that time and neither did Freddy Roach.Those are not signs of a shot fighter. Walked in the ring to challenge Mayweather and the talk was Mayweather was ducking him. Of course everything changed after the fight. You can try to spin it how you want but Mosley was a big win for Mayeather and nobody that I recall thought Mosley would get dominated like that.

Oscar also lost most of those fights and a lot of people think he lost to Quartey. Oscar even postponed the fight further with a phantom cut in training that nobody ever saw.

Interesting how you bring up Mosley's lay off but not Quartey who was not as highly regarded as Mosley at the time. Interesting.

" Prime" Leija was also smaller than Oscar and not as good as Juan Manuel Marquez who Mayweather toyed with after a 2 year lay off. A longer lay off than you seem to think affected Mosley. The same Marquez who knocked out Pacquiao and arguably beat him twice at welterweight. But couldn't win a round against Mayweather.

That means something whether you admit it or not.

Also ,Pernell was slipping fast. Looked horrible against Hurtado, Ring magazine had him number 3 behind Oscar who was favored to win the fight. More rewritten history here.

[billeau2]

canelo was never very good,,, he couldnt even look impressive unless it was a blown up jr welter,,,,
Boxing is just so devoid of talent these days, that if you popular and hyped people think your a great fighter,,,

fernando vargas was a much better fighter than canelo, both won belts early and both were hyped by promoters,, but vargas would be destroying guys like hatton, rhodes, old shane, etc....

Canelo was never very good,, he is a decent fighter, but over the next few years people will realize that this kid was not as great as everyone thinks now, i honestly think he is just like lucian bute,,

I wanna see floyd fight top guys like bradley, manny, garcia, etc,,,

Floyd has amazing skill,, but anyone can look amazing with the right match making,,,,
Everytime floyd has stepped up vs guys that were elite level, he has never looked dominant vs jlc, hatton, oscar, cotto, etc,,,,, and if you notice he times his fights perfect,,, faded names coming off a big win ala gatti, cotto, shane, or never has-beens coming off big wins like baldomir, ortiz, ghost,,

if floyd had fought oscar's schedule of opponents, floyd would have some defeats and no one would be talking all this ATG talk,, he is basically a watered down version of sweet pea,,, sweet pea at least took all the big fights vs prime guys and we know how good sweet pea is,, floyd looks the part but we will never know because he skipped the challenges and big fights in his career ala a roy jones

your absolutely right about Nando. People have short memories I can remember when Nando was the second coming!

[Sugar Adam Ali]

pretty much agree with you altho I think canelo is a pretty darn good fighter and Floyd did totally dominate him

floyd did dominate him,, great performance by floyd,, but canelo is not that talented, or should i say top level talented,,, wait till he fights lara, molina, etc,,, he will look like an ordinary fighter and not some great fighter like he is hyped to be

Shane was 38, not 40 ,and he was coming off one of the most impressive wins of his career. Dominant win over Collazo, close loss to Cotto, knocked out Mayorga, and destroyed the monster at 147, Margarito. Manny Pacquiao wanted no part of him at that time and neither did Freddy Roach.Those are not signs of a shot fighter. Walked in the ring to challenge Mayweather and the talk was Mayweather was ducking him. Of course everything changed after the fight. You can try to spin it how you want but Mosley was a big win for Mayeather and nobody that I recall thought Mosley would get dominated like that.
mosley excelled vs come forward fighters,, mosely had no legs since about 05,, he beat mayorga, cotto, margs,, all good fighters but its not like you have to track them down to ko them,, they are coming at you, once shane had to fight guys with legs that could move and box like floyd and mora, he looked like crap because he didnt have someone coming face first towards him,
Oscar also lost most of those fights and a lot of people think he lost to Quartey. Oscar even postponed the fight further with a phantom cut in training that nobody ever saw.

Interesting how you bring up Mosley's lay off but not Quartey who was not as highly regarded as Mosley at the time. Interesting.
quartey was prime and not 38 years old with alot of wars under his belt,, to compare a quartey 99 to mosely 2010 is laughable,,, ike still had his legs and plenty in the gas tank,, shane did not,

" Prime" Leija was also smaller than Oscar and not as good as Juan Manuel Marquez who Mayweather toyed with after a 2 year lay off. A longer lay off than you seem to think affected Mosley. The same Marquez who knocked out Pacquiao and arguably beat him twice at welterweight. But couldn't win a round against Mayweather.

That means something whether you admit it or not.
style matchups,,nowhere did i say leija was on level with jmm,, leija is like manfredy on floyds resume, even though leija was a better fighter than manfredy, you get the point.. JMM stood no chance vs floyd, none.. Anyone that thought that would be a competitive fight really doesnt understand boxing,, Floyd is not going to lose to an older, slower, smaller, less powerful fighter that wins by outboxing guys,, yeah im sure jmm stood no chance of outboxing floyd,, maybe if floyd came in aggressive like manny or diaz then jmm had a chance but styles make fights and jmm's style vs floyd is useless,,, floyd all day,, but had that been oscar vs jmm, oscar would have smoked him and stopped him, no doubt

Also ,Pernell was slipping fast. Looked horrible against Hurtado, Ring magazine had him number 3 behind Oscar who was favored to win the fight. More rewritten history here.

OMG,, pernell slipping fast but was p4p #3,, sorry i thought he was #2, as oscar hadnt done much to that point but beat up smaller guys and a faded chavez,,, Pernell 97 is still better than any fighter floyd has ever fought

[joseph5620]

floyd did dominate him,, great performance by floyd,, but canelo is not that talented, or should i say top level talented,,, wait till he fights lara, molina, etc,,, he will look like an ordinary fighter and not some great fighter like he is hyped to be



OMG,, pernell slipping fast but was p4p #3,, sorry i thought he was #2, as oscar hadnt done much to that point but beat up smaller guys and a faded chavez,,, Pernell 97 is still better than any fighter floyd has ever fought

P4P is mythical. Whitaker being far past his prime is factual. For you to describe it in any other way is pure fiction. Whitaker was showing major slipping and getting hit more than he ever had. Rewrite history if you choose, but facts are facts. Don't believe me? Watch Whitaker in his last three fights before Oscar. Then you'll know why Oscar chose him over Quartey or Trinidad at the time.

Why was Oscar favored to beat the " number three pound for pound" Whitaker?

For you to hype fighters like Ruelas, Leija, but downplay Mosley,Canelo,Hatton, or Corrales speaks for itself.

[mickey malone]

floyd did dominate him,, great performance by floyd,, but canelo is not that talented, or should i say top level talented,,, wait till he fights lara, molina, etc,,, he will look like an ordinary fighter and not some great fighter like he is hyped to be



OMG,, pernell slipping fast but was p4p #3,, sorry i thought he was #2, as oscar hadnt done much to that point but beat up smaller guys and a faded chavez,,, Pernell 97 is still better than any fighter floyd has ever fought

Mayweather's nowhere... Does'nt fight enough, never fought Manny Pac, and that's the end of it..

[billeau2]

A major threat? Based on what, wins over Mayorga, whose only good win was over Vernon Forrest and a past prime Margarito? And it was considered fantasy because they couldn't agree to terms. Nobody discredits Floyd's abilities and good wins earlier in his career, so stop making it sound like people discredit all his wins. It's just that later in his career, he has been protected and later opponents have been carefully selected. The guy up and retires when being asked in 2007 about possible fights with Cotto, Margarito, others, then comes back 2 years later with a pretty good win over Marquez and waits 2 more years to take on Cotto, never fights Margarito or Pacquiao. Again, that's not taking on all comers. So, in terms of ability, he's an all-time great, but not in terms of resume. Nobody that knows boxing denies the guy has good wins though. And if he fights Canelo and beats him, that'll be a great win for him, only the true haters will try and criticize that.

Lol

I am glad you posted this because I have been studying a disease that has ravaged the boxing community, it is called Mosleyitis...the tendency to overrate Mosley. The guy was always a fast handed puncher...he had some brushes with elite status IF one even considers De La Hoya elite (debatable). But Mosley was never a technical wizard, never more dimensional than a puncher with speed and power... And as you said, his greatest wins were hardly great.

And despite what many posters think Most smart boxing people knew Mosley was no threat to Mayweather at 40 plus years old. Mosley was over the hill and never really great to begin with. Mosley was part of a tough division and did very well. He never had any defense to speak of.

[joseph5620]

Mayweather's nowhere... Does'nt fight enough, never fought Manny Pac, and that's the end of it..

No, it really isn't the end of it when you offer nothing but "He didn't fight Pacquiao".

Robinson didn't fight Burley. I won't even get into Tunney but that doesn't seem to affect their all time rankings with most people.

[joseph5620]

Lol

I am glad you posted this because I have been studying a disease that has ravaged the boxing community, it is called Mosleyitis...the tendency to overrate Mosley. The guy was always a fast handed puncher...he had some brushes with elite status IF one even considers De La Hoya elite (debatable). But Mosley was never a technical wizard, never more dimensional than a puncher with speed and power... And as you said, his greatest wins were hardly great.

And despite what many posters think Most smart boxing people knew Mosley was no threat to Mayweather at 40 plus years old. Mosley was over the hill and never really great to begin with. Mosley was part of a tough division and did very well. He never had any defense to speak of.

Mosley wasn't 40 plus years old. I guess all the "smart" boxing fans only chose this opinion after the fight because the general consensus was that it was a competitive fight and Mosley was a threat

[MRKilla]

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