Floyd is P4P #2 ever after SRR?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I think the real reason floyd went into "retirement" for 07-09 was that was the time frame that TR and GBP actually worked together, so they would have made a floyd-cotto, floyd-margs fights and floyd knew he was out of options after beating hatton,,,,,

TR-GBP made for example:
shane-cotto
jmm-manny 2
shane-margs
manny-oscar
manny-hatton-- this was when it fell apart because GBP tried to sign manny away from TR and TR got pissed and wouldnt do business with them anymore,,, and as soon as that happened, floyd was back on the scene
But nobody ever makes that connection or talks about it

[IronDanHamza]

Floyd's a great fighter, he's one of the best fighters I've seen in my lifetime which is many many great fighters. He's also one of the most skilled and talented fighters I've ever seen.

But, in regards to where he ranks historically, he's not close to Top 10. Despite being an ATG, his resume just isn't close to Top 10 calibur.

[pnksntdead]

his best win was against corrales, ages ago. very top 10 atg worthy indeed.

[Adolf H]

Only thing anyone can do is speculate on how he would do against some of the greats past and present. Even if he were to travel back in time with a time machine, speculate is all anybody could do because he would not fight those guys. Just like he did not fight Margarito or Pacquiao.

And as far as speculation goes, it would only be the ****s and ******s that would blabber the type of nonsensical gay **** that you are saying.

[toooooool]

I don't think he is number two but I know what your saying.People can't ignore his
talent much longer..he has to be ranked way up there.The guy gets it done all the
time,every time!...He has faced some very tough competition too..lets be honest..
The three fighters I thought were gonna beat him were Angel Manfredy,Diego
Corrales,and Oscar Delahoya..he beat all them plus Gatti,Judah,Mosley,Castillo.etc..
the list goes on and on...

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I don't think he is number two but I know what your saying.People can't ignore his
talent much longer..he has to be ranked way up there.The guy gets it done all the
time,every time!...He has faced some very tough competition too..lets be honest..
The three fighters I thought were gonna beat him were Angel Manfredy,Diego
Corrales,and Oscar Delahoya..he beat all them plus Gatti,Judah,Mosley,Castillo.etc..
the list goes on and on...

yeah but if you really break it down,,

corrales was a legit good win
so was JLC

manfredy was a flash in the pan fighter, he had his 15 mins of fame
Oscar was old
gatti was old and never very good anyways
mosely was old and coming off over a year long layoff
Judah is not that great, good talent but not the complete package, he had already lost to spinks, tsyzu, and baldomir,, his best win ever was the spinks rematch,, not exactly a great win
ortiz, ghost, canelo had no business fighting at the top level
hatton was garbage at welter, anyone with a brain knew floyd would beat him
jmm was the ultimate cherrypick, good name but jmm literally had zero chance vs floyd and it showed on the fight
genaro- that was a good win for floyd
famoso and chavez were also good wins,,

but floyd has ATG talent, but never beat another great fighter in their prime,, cotto was shot, shane was old, etc

just look at his list of opponent and see how much they have done after floyd fought them

ortiz- nothing
shane- nothing
hatton- nothing
gatti- nothing
shambra- nothing
baldomir-nothing
zab- nothing but lose to name fighters
bruscles- nothing
ndou- nothing
sosa- nothing

Floyd times his fights perfect and leads people to believe he is some sort of SRL or SRR but he really has nothing to show for all his talent,, great fighter but his resume sucks compared to other ATGs

[Rossman]

The three fighters I thought were gonna beat him were Angel Manfredy,Diego
Corrales,and Oscar Delahoya..he beat all them plus Gatti,Judah,Mosley,Castillo.etc..
the list goes on and on...

Seriously, Corrales in his previous bouts was hit often by Robert Garcia and Gainer before he came back to stop them. Everyone I know was saying how Corrales was perfect for Mayweather. I expected Mayweather to dominate and so did most people. Manfredy was a huge underdog. De La Hoya was past his prime, Gatti had lost to Manfredy and twice to Ivan Robinson, Judah had just lost to Baldomir, and Mosley was past his prime as well. Mayweather was the favorite in every fight he fought except against Genaro Hernandez. You cannot be even in the top ten if you make an undefeated career fighting carefully planned sure wins.

[toooooool]

Good responses...the truth is we can make excuses for every situation in every fight.
The betting odds were even for Leonard/Hearns I ,for example,then after Leonard won,
suddenly Hearns was a guy with no legs!!!..The common denominator for all
those fighters was FLOYD MAYWEATHER...HE was the problem..not age,no talent,
too slow..etc etc...I'll say this..for Floyd to have beat Canelo who was half his
age,undefeated with no wear and tear....It was an incredible feat.

[MRKilla]

smh....kill yourself

[- Ram Raid -]

Lest we forgot what sport we're following here, this is boxing. It's a managers job to get his fighter the right fights at the right time, where they can make the most money with the least risk. In those terms Mayweather and his team are the best in the business.

You may be critical of him for fighting guys when they're not at their peak (and rightly so from a sporting viewpoint) but do you honestly think that Mosley, or Marquez, or De La Hoya are gonna take a win even at their best?

It was surprising to see Oscar applying so much pressure, so at the time it seemed impressive, but it wasn't very effective, he mainly got shoulder-rolled and s******ed at. Mosley's lauded for landing one quality clean shot. One. Seriously, that counts as an achievement and you don't even realise what level of complement your handing Floyd there for considering it so. The Marquez fight was so embarrassingly one sided and cringe-worthy that I turned it off after nine rounds. I didn't want to witness him doing that to a seasoned world champion.

Now pick it apart as you will, I've heard the arguments before. I've used them myself because they're valid. But. . . even if he doesn't pick his opponents at the opportune time of most money/least risk he still beats these guys anyway. The work just isn't as easy and the bouts aren't as sickeningly one sided.

Now, to suggest that Floyd gets beat off of fighters that you have seen next to no footage of, because it doesn't exist, or is of such a quality that it's next to useless unless it's frame rate is slowed to a craw, is foolhardy in the extreme. That has more to do with glorifying your own knowledge and reading and an attempt to pull rank than is does with making an attempt at a valid and accurate assessment of a fighters level of skill and competence at the craft of boxing.

I could say that Pele is the greatest footballer to ever lace up a pair of boots, and who knows, that conclusion may well be right. But. . . I'd still be regurgitating someone else's argument and opinion, because I've never seen him play a single game. It doesn't matter what stats I can pull up in terms of goals scored, teams beaten, trophies won, individual honours collected. If I haven't had extensive experience of watching him apply his trade I am in no position to argue his skills relative to modern greats like Lionel Messi.

It's the same with boxing. I could argue the toss about Gypsy Gem Mace, Tom Cribb, Tom Spring, Tom Sayers, and on and on and on through to Harry Greb & Sam Langford or any one of the subjects of the eight rows worth of boxing books on my book shelves.

The bottom line is, if I haven't seen them box - My opinion may well be informed but it would not be valid.