Floyd is P4P #2 ever after SRR?

[Scott9945]

P4P is mythical. Whitaker being far past his prime is factual. For you to describe it in any other way is pure fiction. Whitaker was showing major slipping and getting hit more than he ever had. Rewrite history if you choose, but facts are facts. Don't believe me? Watch Whitaker in his last three fights before Oscar. Then you'll know why Oscar chose him over Quartey or Trinidad at the time.

Why was Oscar favored to beat the " number three pound for pound" Whitaker?

For you to hype fighters like Ruelas, Leija, but downplay Mosley,Canelo,Hatton, or Corrales speaks for itself.

No doubt that Whitaker was fading when he fought DLH. He had just struggled in two fights with ordinary Wilfredo Rivera and he had to rally to avoid losing to Hurtado. After his loss to DLH (which he may have deserved to lose but certainly didn't take a beating), Whitaker never won another fight. Sounds like the end to me.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

No doubt that Whitaker was fading when he fought DLH. He had just struggled in two fights with ordinary Wilfredo Rivera and he had to rally to avoid losing to Hurtado. After his loss to DLH (which he may have deserved to lose but certainly didn't take a beating), Whitaker never won another fight. Sounds like the end to me.

yeah because being top 3 p4p and the lineal welter champ and giving a prime oscar hell seems to be a guy on the downside,,,

yes he got all cracked out, and hardly fought since that fight,,, how many guys are going to old and cracked out and beat a prime tito at welter,,,

hagler never won another fight after SRL

tszyu never won another fight after hatton

your using false logic,,,,,,,,


TO BE THE MAN, YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE MAN... WHOOOOOOOOOO- ric flair

[RubenSonny]

OMG,, pernell slipping fast but was p4p #3,, sorry i thought he was #2, as oscar hadnt done much to that point but beat up smaller guys and a faded chavez,,, Pernell 97 is still better than any fighter floyd has ever fought

Who was p4p #3 going into the Mayweather-Mosley fight?

[Scott9945]

yeah because being top 3 p4p and the lineal welter champ and giving a prime oscar hell seems to be a guy on the downside,,,

yes he got all cracked out, and hardly fought since that fight,,, how many guys are going to old and cracked out and beat a prime tito at welter,,,

hagler never won another fight after SRL

tszyu never won another fight after hatton

your using false logic,,,,,,,,


TO BE THE MAN, YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE MAN... WHOOOOOOOOOO- ric flair

Like I clearly pointed out, Whitaker had looked poor in three straight fights. It was no coincidence that he was chosen as the titleholder that Oscar would pursue rather than a prime Quartey or Trinidad. P4P ratings are meaningless and have no real value or credibility.

The Tszyu and Hagler examples are non applicable since they never fought again. Whitaker had three more fights and no wins.

I do like Ric Flair though...

[Ray Corso]

Floyd is the second best pro boxer ever???? hahahahaha ofcourse he is..........and what planet is he living on?
Hell he's a tuff sell for the top twenty at welter let alone the second best ever!!!!! Man you have to handed it to the "fanatics" they do love their noses in the brown but you'd think they'd learn something about boxing before such a ridiculous statement.
Ray.

[Suckmedry]

Yes it was at a catchweight,, but it really didnt matter if it was a catchweight, 135, 130, 147,, floyd would always own a guy like marquez,, marqeuz needs a come forward fighter to shine,, he struggles with casamoyer, chris john, MAB,,, so yeah he will get whitewashed by floyd



there is alot of hate for mayweather,, i think he is a fantastic talent, but i cant rank him with the SRR, SRL, ali, oscar etc, because he never took the big fights,, he is like a roy jones, with a slightly better resume



Klits are good,, division just sucks,,, no doubt about it, if they switched places with tyson in the 80s and fought his schedule they would be champs,, maybe not dominate wins like ko1 of spinks but they would win and be champs

You rate oscar Up with those guys or are you just talking about resume ?

[IronDanHamza]

yeah because being top 3 p4p and the lineal welter champ and giving a prime oscar hell seems to be a guy on the downside,,,

yes he got all cracked out, and hardly fought since that fight,,, how many guys are going to old and cracked out and beat a prime tito at welter,,,

hagler never won another fight after SRL

tszyu never won another fight after hatton

your using false logic,,,,,,,,


TO BE THE MAN, YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE MAN... WHOOOOOOOOOO- ric flair

You cannot honestly believe that Whitaker wasn't on the slide at that point of his career.

Everything you say about Whitaker you can say about Mosley.

Lineal champ at 147, P4P #3, rocked Floyd badly on the second round.

[IronDanHamza]

im not trying to downplay floyd,, but for being the face of boxing and the biggest draw, he has really let the sport down..

Guys who can claim to be the face of boxing

floyd: hatton, jlc, corrales,,

oscar: pernell, vargas, tito, ike, shane twice, hopkins, floyd, manny

SRL: benetiz, hearns, duran twice, hagler, aybule,

ali: frazier 3 times, foreman, norton 3 times, liston, young, holmes


Do you see the difference,, most great fight all the big fights and most do it in a short time frame like oscar and srl,,,,

now do you really think beating a corrales compares to beating hearns
or having 2 fights vs JLC really compares to fighting prime mosley twice, or frazier 3 times...

please tell me what floyd's best achievements are, and then compare to other great fighters in his position like oscar and srl,,,,,

if floyd was like oscar and srl,, then floyd would have fought hatton @140, cotto and mosley in 07-08, manny 09-12, canelo with no catchweight, casamoyer, freitas, spadafora at the lower weights, and he wouldnt be fighting bruscles or shambra


no one is trying to say floyd doesnt have great skills,, he has amazing talent, yet i cant say he is some boxing god, because he never took the big fights,,

joe calzaghe can at least say he took on undefeated prime lacy, kessler, and hopkins,,,,

those wins are on par with anything floyd has accomplished if you really think about it,,, all floyd's big name wins came against faded names like oscar, shane, cotto, canelo is a never has been and that will be proven in a few years after he has fought serious jr mids and middlewieghts and not punching bags like cintron, old shane, baldomir, hatton, rhodes, lopez

That is genuinely hilarious.

[IronDanHamza]

Shane was 38, not 40 ,and he was coming off one of the most impressive wins of his career. Dominant win over Collazo, close loss to Cotto, knocked out Mayorga, and destroyed the monster at 147, Margarito. Manny Pacquiao wanted no part of him at that time and neither did Freddy Roach.Those are not signs of a shot fighter. Walked in the ring to challenge Mayweather and the talk was Mayweather was ducking him. Of course everything changed after the fight. You can try to spin it how you want but Mosley was a big win for Mayeather and nobody that I recall thought Mosley would get dominated like that.

Oscar also lost most of those fights and a lot of people think he lost to Quartey. Oscar even postponed the fight further with a phantom cut in training that nobody ever saw.

Interesting how you bring up Mosley's lay off but not Quartey who was not as highly regarded as Mosley at the time. Interesting.

" Prime" Leija was also smaller than Oscar and not as good as Juan Manuel Marquez who Mayweather toyed with after a 2 year lay off. A longer lay off than you seem to think affected Mosley. The same Marquez who knocked out Pacquiao and arguably beat him twice at welterweight. But couldn't win a round against Mayweather.

That means something whether you admit it or not.

Also ,Pernell was slipping fast. Looked horrible against Hurtado, Ring ****zine had him number 3 behind Oscar who was favored to win the fight. More rewritten history here.

So true in regards to Mosley.

People wanted to see that fight, people claimed Floyd was ducking, scared to death of Mosley when he got in the ring after the Marquez fight and confronted him, universal #3 P4P, #1 WW, he fights him and now all of a sudden it's a complete change of tune.

Same old same old.

[fight_professor]

Cats always move the goalposts when it comes to Money. Oh he's ducking x or y - then he schools that guy - and suddeny mr X or Y arent all that. It's bs!