Ali IS tha man...

[butterfly1964]

And also, Joe Louis could have beaten any fighter that ever lived, and was a patriotic american, something that was never forgotten about him.

many fighters IMO would beat joe louis, he is IMO a bit overrated.

[Brassangel]

While there are probably a few fighters in history that could have beaten Joe Louis, the ones he had to face for twelve years as champion never got around to it. Anyone who holds a belt for that long while continuously defending it is hardly overrated.

Muhammad Ali's style would have suited him well here. It's not because he was so fast that Joe Louis couldn't hit him; that's rediculous to say that anyone was so fast that they couldn't get hit. If that were the case, he never would have gotten hit like he did. Training, preparation, or flat-footed. Ali's constant movement and his ability to disrupt a fighter's rhythm give him huge advantages over Joe Louis.

And yes, you usually look at things one-sided. You also fail to address the key points of other people's arguments; instead picking out one or two little items and attacking them. Even so, you are correct about Ali over Louis.

[butterfly1964]

While there are probably a few fighters in history that could have beaten Joe Louis, the ones he had to face for twelve years as champion never got around to it. Anyone who holds a belt for that long while continuously defending it is hardly overrated. Muhammad Ali's style would have suited him well here. It's not because he was so fast that Joe Louis couldn't hit him; that's rediculous to say that anyone was so fast that they couldn't get hit. If that were the case, he never would have gotten hit like he did. Training, preparation, or flat-footed. Ali's constant movement and his ability to disrupt a fighter's rhythm give him huge advantages over Joe Louis.

i will point out that louis probably was the greatest of all time when he retired. so was jack johnson.

[Oasis_Lad]

ali is and always will be the greatest

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[butterfly1964]

ali is and always will be the greatest

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i like your avatar! good karma for you!

[supaduck]

I like it too, so good karma for you both.

[XionComrade]

Agreed, he was awesome. But Ali beat him the first time fair and square. Obviously moondog or whatever he's called doesn't watch boxing.

Actually in that fight wasn't Liston cheating? Didn't he wipe something on his gloves that messed with Ali's vission in the 4h? It started with a m...If it so, Sonny Liston may have been a great fighter but he is one hell of a ***** for that.

[XionComrade]

Why compliment that stuff, man?

Not only is there at least a couple factually inaccurate statements in there, but his "imagine what Ali would do to them" statement is completely laughable...It's like me saying, "if a light hitting, 195 pounder like Karl Mildenberger can hurt Ali to the body with a hook, just imagine what a MUCH harder hitting & bigger Joe Louis could do to Ali."

Butterfly looks at one side and one side only with these fantasy fights (spins them to favour his lover), and his logic is nothing but complete crap!

Personally I think he puts way to much emphasis on weight...it makes him sound smart I guess, but it is still like 110% to much.

[Yogi]

Personally I think he puts way to much emphasis on weight...it makes him sound smart I guess, but it is still like 110% to much.

He spins it any possible way to give Ali an edge, but yeah, weight seems to be one of his main "arguments", if you can call them that...Along those lines, I'll assume that he thinks Nicolay Valuev beats Ali and easily at that, considering Valuev weighs 100+ lbs more than fighters who proved capable of hurting Ali (Cooper, Frazier, Mildenberger, Shavers, etc.).

[BKM-]

Ali and Louis were were two of the greatest human beings ever.
But..Joe Louis is still greater in the ring.