Ali IS tha man...

[supaduck]

I think Ali was a great fighter, but the only fighter that was any good that he beat was Foreman. And he just outsmarted him, but beat him fair and square, Frazier was small, slow and had one punch, Norton beat Ali in every one of his three fights, get the trilogy and watch it, Sonny Liston was a convict that never had one boxing lesson in his life, a media hype!

This isn't really an insult, but you really are ignorant about boxing in general. Joe Frazier wasn't small. He was simply short. He was stocky. And he had excellent punches, every punch he had was great and powerful. Norton had a style that caused trouble for Ali in their first fight, and Ali won the next two (arguably).

Sonny Liston a media hype? The man beat Floyd Patterson in the first round twice. And if you don't know who Floyd Patterson is, then you seriously have got a lot to learn.
You need to watch more fights, and read more on boxing before you can post here without being labelled as a newbie idiot. All the fighters you dissed are great fighters, espescially Frazier and Liston, and posts like this will not go down well.

[moondog0]

You did no that Sonny was found dead in a hotel room with a hypodermic needle hole in the base of his skull, killed by the mob that controlled his career and everyone elses he fought.,

[supaduck]

LMFAO!



Firstly, there's no proof that it was the mob, although it probably was. Secondly how does this make him a bad boxer? He most certainly did have boxing lessons in his life, much more than one.

Oh yes, the mob controlled the careers of everyone he faced. Not. The mob may well have controlled Liston to some extent, but he's just about the only one. Your comments keep getting ******er and ******er.

[Yogi]

You did no that Sonny was found dead in a hotel room with a hypodermic needle hole in the base of his skull, killed by the mob that controlled his career and everyone elses he fought.,

**** man, if you're so friggin' certain Liston was killed off by the mob you should quickly get in touch with your local police dept or even the FBI, because even they couldn't figure out exactly what happened on that late December day in 1970...Ensure you contact his family, as well, as they would also like to have some closer by knowing exactly what happened.

You did know that all you're doing is spouting one of many different "rumours" in regards to Liston's death, don't you?

[supaduck]

The point I was trying to make was that he said Liston wasn't even a good fighter, which is bull****, and then he used the mob rumour as an excuse to call Liston a bad fighter.

[moondog0]

Getting back to the point, Ali struggled with Frazier in all three fights, lost the first one, got the decision in the second one and fell to the mat in exhaustion, and won the last one in the last round, Ali had the geatest heart, mouth, and chin, but not the greatest fighter. Jack Johnson and Joe Louis would have beat him without doubt. Why he even struggled with Henry Cooper and that louse of a Jerry Quarry...

[Gavilan1]

Greatest heart? I'm not so sure about that. He wanted to quit in most of his major fights, but Dundee wouldn't let him

[Brockton Lip]

Jack Johnson and Joe Louis would have beat him without doubt.

I can't see a prime Ali losing to either of these men. Its possible but in my opinion, Ali wouldn't lose 2 out of 3.

[Gavilan1]

Jack Johnson would of no doubt beat Ali. The defensive Jimmy Young caused problems for Ali and He arguably won that fight. The same could go for Jack Johnson who was a great defensive fighter, and had much more power then Young could ever dream of having.

[Yogi]

The point I was trying to make was that he said Liston wasn't even a good fighter, which is bull****, and then he used the mob rumour as an excuse to call Liston a bad fighter.

Of course that comment is bull****, Supa, and anybody who took the time to watch some of Liston's earlier fights (like vs. Williams x2, Bethea, Machen, Whitehurst, Patterson x2, etc.) can see that it is bull****.