Ali IS tha man...

[butterfly1964]

Frazier "dwarfs" Louis?

Frazier: 5'11 & about 205 lbs at his best.
Louis: 6'2 & about 200-205 lbs at his best.

frazier was 205-210 at best, and louis was 193-198 at best. frazier pounded 240+lb. men in his career, so louis wouldn't present much of a problem to him.

[butterfly1964]

Joe Louis could have beaten anyone of the fighters you say would beat him. Ali too, He could beat him..all of them.

i've already explained why he would beat all those fighters, so i won't repeat them, just look at the posts. louis has no chance against those men, it's a no brainer.

[Heckler]

i've already explained why he would beat all those fighters, so i won't repeat them, just look at the posts. louis has no chance against those men, it's a no brainer.

Frazier would be beaten by Louis. Without a doubt. He may have been able to swarm into Ali, but with Louis's power and technical ability... hes gone.

[butterfly1964]

Frazier would be beaten by Louis. Without a doubt. He may have been able to swarm into Ali, but with Louis's power and technical ability... hes gone.

yeah, sure he would. the ali that fought frazier in '71 was still faster than a prime louis, and bigger and way stronger, but louis would beat frazier. frazier on that night would crush louis in maybe 4 rounds, louis wouldn't know how to handle frazier's speed, power, ability to cut off the ring, stamina, body shots, and his famous philadelphia left hook.

[Soliloquy]

yeah, sure he would. the ali that fought frazier in '71 was still faster than a prime louis, and bigger and way stronger, but louis would beat frazier. frazier on that night would crush louis in maybe 4 rounds, louis wouldn't know how to handle frazier's speed, power, ability to cut off the ring, stamina, body shots, and his famous philadelphia left hook.

i don't think you realize just how many flaws Ali had?

[butterfly1964]

i don't think you realize just how many flaws Ali had?

i know he had flaws, but in his prime, it didn't matter.

[Heckler]

Every sportswriter in existence would be on the ground laughing at this ****. Tyson, irrespective of ANY time in his career is a one trick pony, with a poor mentality. Louis would stick and move, he would give him a boxing lesson. Following Tyson not being able to knock Louis out in the first few rounds he would become frustrated, become sloppy then Joe would drop him. Joe KO 8. NONE of these men could push over the brown bomber and its ridiculous that you would imply this. Frazier would be totally outclassed and KTFO. Styles make fights and fraziers style does not do well against Joe's. Ali could wobble, AND HE DID Frazier on the way in, Louis would drop him.

[Yogi]

frazier was 205-210 at best, and louis was 193-198 at best. frazier pounded 240+lb. men in his career, so louis wouldn't present much of a problem to him.

Louis wasn't at his best at 193, man!

Come one, Butterfly...you're twisting again.

Ask anybody who has seen a number of fights of Louis' and they'd tell one of, if not the most impressive performances of his was when he destroyed Buddy Baer in their rematch...Louis weighed around 205 for that fight, if not a little more. Some of Louis' other best performances against the likes of Max Baer, Schmeling, Abe Simon II, Godoy II, etc., all seen him weighing in quite a bit more than only 193 lbs.

Now, ask a bunch of Frazier fans what they thought were his three best performances in his career, and there'll be more than a few who'd tell you that it was against Ellis, Chuvalo, & Ali, and in all of those fights he weighed right around the 205 lbs mark, give or take a pound.

And your "Frazier pounded 240+ men in his career" comment is meant to say what again?

You want to argue each fighter's success against much larger men?

Probably wouldn't be such a good idea on your part, because Louis absolutely dominated a few 240/250+ lbs men in fights (Buddy Baer, Abe Simon, Primo Carnera), compared to Frazier somewhat struggling with the only 240+ pound fighter he met in Buster Mathis.

[Heckler]

yeah, sure he would. the ali that fought frazier in '71 was still faster than a prime louis, and bigger and way stronger, but louis would beat frazier. frazier on that night would crush louis in maybe 4 rounds, louis wouldn't know how to handle frazier's speed, power, ability to cut off the ring, stamina, body shots, and his famous philadelphia left hook.

Sure he would know how to handle him. Because Frazier would not be able to bully Louis around. Louis has incredible punching power and was better at executing it then frazier, frazier had a GOOD chin but not good enough for a Louis power punch.

[butterfly1964]

Frazier somewhat struggling with the only 240+ pound fighter he met in Buster Mathis.

he destroyed mathis. frazier's a slow starter, so he lost like the first two rounds, but he destroyed him sfter that. mathis was barely holding on by like the fifth round.