who are the top five light heavies ever

[SBleeder]

Where do all of you rank Jimmy Bivins as a LHW?

[StarshipTrooper]

Michalczewski belongs in the top 5, if not top 3

Oh puhlese

[SBleeder]

Michalczewski belongs in the top 5, if not top 3

No, just no.

He was a good fighter, and would be a tough match-up for most LHWs in history... but his resume isn't even top 20-worthy. He held the Title hostage in Europe for over half a decade, and his best win is over a past-it Virgil Hill.

[RubenSonny]

Why Ruben? This is the history section. We share knowledge, not just knock back ideas. How would The Orchid Man has done in those missed years?

Apologies, no disrespect intended, just opening up debate. Carpentier simply never proved he was on that type of level, I believe Charles, Moore, Tunney, Spinks, Conn, Foster, Bivins, Johnson, Rosenbloom, Lewis, Greb, Maxim, Jones should all be ranked far ahead of him, I'd rank a Qawi or Saad Muhammad over him without much problem. Here's the thing, while Carpentier was a good fighter, I believe he gets generally overrated simply for his celebrity from the Dempsey fight (not saying that anyone overrating him is using that performance as proof lol). If you actually take a look at his resume at 175, it's relatively thin compared with the best at the weight, outside of beating Jeff Smith and Battling Levinsky (obviously a very good win), he didnt beat anyone decent, well I guess you might give him credit for outboxing a heaviyweight in Gunboat Smith for 6 rounds (although its thought that the DQ against Smith was very unfair and some argue Carpentier should have been DQ'ed) Another thing, I tend not to put too much emphasis on losses in that sort of era but I find the Siki loss pretty detrimental to Carpentiers standing.

[IronDanHamza]

Where do all of you rank Jimmy Bivins as a LHW?

I have him #10

[Nails]

Charles; Conn; Tunney. That Rocky guy probably could have made the weight - but why?

[Sugarj]

No, just no.

He was a good fighter, and would be a tough match-up for most LHWs in history... but his resume isn't even top 20-worthy. He held the Title hostage in Europe for over half a decade, and his best win is over a past-it Virgil Hill.

Very true. Had he met and defeated a near as dammit prime Roy Jones jnr, he'd have an argument. But for all the criticism levelled at Roy for not fighting Daruis.....I've no doubt that Jones would have done a number on him!

Hell, Jones isn't making many of these top 5 lists. He doesn't deserve it on resume......but head to head?

[Anthony342]

Speaking of Jones, where does he rank among all time light heavys?

[Welsh Jon]

Speaking of Jones, where does he rank among all time light heavys?

RJJ is a top 15 light-heavyweight.

In terms of light-heavyweight resume I would rank him below Charles, Moore, Tunney, Spinks, Rosenbloom, Harold Johnson, Greb, Bob Foster, Loughran, Bivins and Conn. And Langford if you did consider him a light-heavy.

[Cardinal Buck]

RJJ is a top 15 light-heavyweight.

In terms of light-heavyweight resume I would rank him below Charles, Moore, Tunney, Spinks, Rosenbloom, Harold Johnson, Greb, Bob Foster, Loughran, Bivins and Conn. And Langford if you did consider him a light-heavy.

Is Foster's light heavy resume really better than Jones'?