the myth that todays fat HW's are bigger and stronger

[Cardinal Buck]

The man in the pink dress would manhandle Rocky Marciano.

There's zero wittiness in calling me out for using subjective criteria. We're all doing it. I'm just not doing it as optimistically as some.

[them_apples]

The man in the pink dress would manhandle Rocky Marciano.

There's zero wittiness in calling me out for using subjective criteria. We're all doing it. I'm just not doing it as optimistically as some.

I used to be like you. then I realized there is so much more to boxing than size and physical attributes.

Theres skill, ring smarts, heart, durability.

rocky Knocked out bigger men too and when you never quit things can end up going your way.

I don't hype Rocky up so I could see Klitschko dealing with him as well but I wouldn't write him off. But if Shannon Briggs took vitalis punches all night long after being hit flush 1000 tmes in the same spot, I'd probably say Rocky, one of the hardest men ever in the sport, sticks around to the final bell.

[Mintcar923]

The man in the pink dress would manhandle Rocky Marciano.

There's zero wittiness in calling me out for using subjective criteria. We're all doing it. I'm just not doing it as optimistically as some.

He may manhandle him as far as clinching. But, when Marciano connects with his Suzy Q it may be goodnight Irene.

[JAB5239]

The man in the pink dress would manhandle Rocky Marciano.

There's zero wittiness in calling me out for using subjective criteria. We're all doing it. I'm just not doing it as optimistically as some.

I'd pick the "man in the pink dress" over Rocky too. What does that have to do with making a claim you can't possibly support?

[Cardinal Buck]

The topic of this thread is unsupported. Did you not notice that? Don't call me out for going against your viewpoint and ignore the inconsistencies of the OP and others. Most of the posts in this section are subjective so I don't see your point.

[JAB5239]

The topic of this thread is unsupported. Did you not notice that? Don't call me out for going against your viewpoint and ignore the inconsistencies of the OP and others. Most of the posts in this section are subjective so I don't see your point.

Im not calling you out for going against my viewpoint, Im calling you out for making a blanket statement in which you cant prove.

[Cardinal Buck]

So remind me what the original poster proved? Joe Frazier beat Buster Mathis=today's heavyweights are not bigger and stronger?

I'm not claiming to be proving anything. Based on my subjective criteria, big fighters, most of whom are from the last 30 years, Buster Mathis not being one them, tend to be stronger. I don't see what the issue is.

[JAB5239]

So remind me what the original poster proved? Joe Frazier beat Buster Mathis=today's heavyweights are not bigger and stronger?

Show me the post where I said I agreed 100% with what apples posted. If you can't than stop worrying about it and stick with supporting your own claims, my friend.

I'm not claiming to be proving anything. Based on my subjective criteria, big fighters, most of whom are from the last 30 years, Buster Mathis not being one them, tend to be stronger. I don't see what the issue is.

So what exactly is your criteria and who's on this top 10 list?

[JAB5239]

My top 10 strongest Hvyt champions

Here is a list of my top 10 strongest heavyweight champions. I have no criteria except what I've read and seen on film. You're welcome to bash, smash and tear this list down.....but don't be a wuss and not provide one of your own.

1. George Foreman
2. Jim Jeffries
3. Primo Carnera
4. John L. Sullivan
5. Sonny Liston
6. Lennox Lewis
7. Wladimir Klitschko
8. Evander Holyfield
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Joe Frazier

[Superflo777]

Here is a list of my top 10 strongest heavyweight champions. I have no criteria except what I've read and seen on film. You're welcome to bash, smash and tear this list down.....but don't be a wuss and not provide one of your own.

1. George Foreman
2. Jim Jeffries
3. Primo Carnera
4. John L. Sullivan
5. Sonny Liston
6. Lennox Lewis
7. Wladimir Klitschko
8. Evander Holyfield
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Joe Frazier

Does "strongest" mean best AKA greatest?

No, it doesn't, you mean just physical strength.