the myth that todays fat HW's are bigger and stronger

[BKM-]

If you look at the top heavyweights from the past 8 or so years, very few are much bigger than the past era's of heavyweights. The Klitchko's and Lewis have given a false image about 'modern heavyweights' because they are rare even in this era. If you ask me the 90s heavyweights were bigger on average and they weren't as fat as some of the guys we have today.

[Scott9945]

What about that young amateur, Anthony Joshua. He would kill any current heavyweight today and could have mixed in with all the greats.

Let me know when he wins his first 6 round fight.

[titanium]

Lets not forget we are living in the steriod era of course they are bigger.

[Scott9945]

Lets not forget we are living in the steriod era of course they are bigger.

Steroids can't make you 6'7.

[New England]

As I agree about Adamek and Haye, he would never beat either of the Klitschkoes. Too physically weak to push them around and not good chin enough to take their punches. He would go down and go down early. His punching power would also be less than it was against significantly smaller opponents and his height would be more of disadvantage.
Also, you must not have the best idea of how fighters are making weight if you're saying that 205 pounder could not go down to cruiserweight.

wladimir doesnt knock anybody out early... yet you favor him to do so over joe frazier? surely you cant be serious in thinking that the plodders and pedestrians of today would do better than joe frazier against the klitschko brothers simply on the merits that they are slightly larger naturally and carry an extra 20 lbs of fat.

lamon brewster was 226 lbs when he knocked wladimir out. you think a measly 15-20 lbs is really the difference there? or that brewster is a better fighter than joe frazier? i've seen literally every lamon brewster fight on film. i really like the guy. he could not hold joe frazier's spit bucket.
corrie sanders was 225 lbs when he knocked wladimir out. blitzed him.
20 lbs gonna carry the day in that fight as well? sanders better than frazier? or is it possible that a 205 lb guy can do exactly what a 225 guy can do if he's got the right set of skills?



for starters, the CW division was not even around when joe frazier fought, and a talent like frazier would head to the HW division because he would beat the garbage out of the contenders he fought, and that's where the money is.


could cut out some foods / water and hop in a sauna and shed an extra 5 lbs?
perhaps.

would his disadvantage in size be enough to keep him from beating a klitschko?
hell no, man. lamon brewster. corrie sanders.

[JAB5239]

wladimir doesnt knock anybody out early... yet you favor him to do so over joe frazier? surely you cant be serious in thinking that the plodders and pedestrians of today would do better than joe frazier against the klitschko brothers simply on the merits that they are slightly larger naturally and carry an extra 20 lbs of fat.

lamon brewster was 226 lbs when he knocked wladimir out. you think a measly 15-20 lbs is really the difference there? or that brewster is a better fighter than joe frazier? i've seen literally every lamon brewster fight on film. i really like the guy. he could not hold joe frazier's spit bucket.
corrie sanders was 225 lbs when he knocked wladimir out. blitzed him.
20 lbs gonna carry the day in that fight as well? sanders better than frazier? or is it possible that a 205 lb guy can do exactly what a 225 guy can do if he's got the right set of skills?



for starters, the CW division was not even around when joe frazier fought, and a talent like frazier would head to the HW division because he would beat the garbage out of the contenders he fought, and that's where the money is.


could cut out some foods / water and hop in a sauna and shed an extra 5 lbs?
perhaps.

would his disadvantage in size be enough to keep him from beating a klitschko?
hell no, man. lamon brewster. corrie sanders.

We can't forget workrate and tenacity either. Klits would contend in ANY era, but there are match ups that are just plain bad for them.

[joe strong]

hasim rahman was at his best around 230-235 but i remember his rematch with tua where he threw 80 punches a round for 12 rounds & it was one of the few times he didn't have stamina issues. that was always his achilles heal but for that fight he really surprised me. 30lbs over his best fighting weight. tim witherspoon was another guy who could go 15 hard rounds even when not in peak shape.

[New England]

We can't forget workrate and tenacity either. Klits would contend in ANY era, but there are match ups that are just plain bad for them.

agree, i think the klitschkos are top flight h2h HW.

i think prime vitali would probably handle frazier. he's got the chin. current vitali had a ton of trouble with derek chisora. i think prime frazier would stop him if they went 15. he's badly deteriorated and his body is starting to fail him, even if his jaw could hold out. he's also lost a ton of steam on his punches. he used to danny williams guys with that heavy handed pitty pat. now they finish the fight.

wladimir is going to have trouble with the style. i think frazer could catch him with one shot before he got tied up. maybe two in the later rounds. it would take a while, but i think he'd get to him eventually. the issue would be the right hands behind the jab, and whether or not frazier could take them. bobbing and weaving in against a puncher like wladimir would not be fun


i think wladimir is starting to slow himself, but his maturation process as a fighter needed lots of time, and i consider him to still be in his prime. right now he's the tougher matchup IMO, as vitali is far gone.

[Cardinal Buck]

corrie sanders was 225 lbs when he knocked wladimir out. blitzed him.
20 lbs gonna carry the day in that fight as well? sanders better than frazier? or is it possible that a 205 lb guy can do exactly what a 225 guy can do if he's got the right set of skills?

Corrie Sanders is a big guy. Let's not bring him into it..

[New England]

Corrie Sanders is a big guy. Let's not bring him into it..

hes a big guy but 225 is 225, man. the point i was illustrating is that size alone wouldn't determine the outcome of the fight.