Rocky Marciano is very overrated IMO

[HisExcellency]

Lol Rocky Marciano beat every man he ever faced in the ring and knocked out the vast majority of them. Also, I don't buy the excuses that his opponents were 'faded' as The Rock only turned professional aged 25 so was VASTLY less experienced than his opponents many of whom turned pro in their teens or aged 20 e.g. Louis, Charles & Walcott.

Lastly, even the GOAT Muhammad Ali admitted that he didn't know whether he would be able to defeat Marciano if they ever shared a ring which says it all. He knows what he's talking about and never showed any other heavyweight that kind of respect.

The Rock is a top 3 heavyweight of all time and deserves more respect on his name!

[QueensburyRules]

Its the weight area Ross was sometimes fighting in. Just because I own you every time I correct with you, you shouldn't feel obliged to try and score trivial, pedantic, non existent points in return, they miss the target and just make you look silly.

- - Listed at as a middleweight in boxrec, so that would make you just as wrong as they.

https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/12193

Total weights recorded in boxrec: 9 weights over 170, with 4 weights under 170, with zero near middleweight, a natural Lightheavy in the day when Lightheavies and Heavies had each other sprinkled into their records because they was fighting everyone they could sign.

Difference between you and me is I'll own up to my few mistakes, whereas your blowhard personality makes that impossible for you.

[Ivich]

- - Listed at as a middleweight in boxrec, so that would make you just as wrong as they.

https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/12193

Total weights recorded in boxrec: 9 weights over 170, with 4 weights under 170, with zero near middleweight, a natural Lightheavy in the day when Lightheavies and Heavies had each other sprinkled into their records because they was fighting everyone they could sign.

Difference between you and me is I'll own up to my few mistakes, whereas your blowhard personality makes that impossible for you.

I make plenty of mistakes.As does Box rec.
Marciano is the only heavyweight Ross fought.
So far I think I've corrected you at least a dozen times.The only one you have owned up to is the Jeannette one.
You made this post 2 days ago.
"Yeah, Rocky padded his record by fighting his brother under different aliases.."
NB Marciano and his brother Sonny never engaged in a real boxing bout,their boxing was confined to exhibitions. When corrected you did not admit you were wrong.

Here's yet another.
"And since Joe and Rocky fought later in 1951, while Rocky was peeling potatoes in penance for KOing Brits in Bar fights, "
Marciano ko'd no Brits.in bar fights or anywhere else,he mugged a gay man and robbed him, for which he was dishonourably discharged and served nearly 2 years in a military prison.
Did you own up to this "mistake" ? No you did not.
That's two mistakes you were corrected on in one thread,that you couldn't bring yourself to admit to.

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Sonny, the blow hard here is YOU!

[QueensburyRules]

I make plenty of mistakes.As does Box rec.
Marciano is the only heavyweight Ross fought.
So far I think I've corrected you at least a dozen times.The only one you have owned up to is the Jeannette one.
You made this post 2 days ago.
"Yeah, Rocky padded his record by fighting his brother under different aliases.."
NB Marciano and his brother Sonny never engaged in a real boxing bout,their boxing was confined to exhibitions. When corrected you did not admit you were wrong.

Here's yet another.
"And since Joe and Rocky fought later in 1951, while Rocky was peeling potatoes in penance for KOing Brits in Bar fights, "
Marciano ko'd no Brits.in bar fights or anywhere else,he mugged a gay man and robbed him, for which he was dishonourably discharged and served nearly 2 years in a military prison.
Did you own up to this "mistake" ? No you did not.
That's two mistakes you were corrected on in one thread,that you couldn't bring yourself to admit to.

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Sonny, the blow hard here is YOU!

- - Yeah, Rocky padding his record was the bait I threw at you that you swallered hook, line, and sinker. It still comes up even in the media though not as much as 20 yrs ago.

Rocky was reported to have a few beer brawls in the service that I alluded to, but ain't gonna go chasing dead links from back then any more than I toss pearls for Jab...


You bringing up the gay incidence as though you had discovered the theory of relativity that we already knew about...priceless...

[shawnkemp804]

Lol Rocky Marciano beat every man he ever faced in the ring and knocked out the vast majority of them. Also, I don't buy the excuses that his opponents were 'faded' as The Rock only turned professional aged 25 so was VASTLY less experienced than his opponents many of whom turned pro in their teens or aged 20 e.g. Louis, Charles & Walcott.

Lastly, even the GOAT Muhammad Ali admitted that he didn't know whether he would be able to defeat Marciano if they ever shared a ring which says it all. He knows what he's talking about and never showed any other heavyweight that kind of respect.

The Rock is a top 3 heavyweight of all time and deserves more respect on his name!

It is funny when racist white dudes bring up even Ali said he didn't know if he could beat Marciano as is that means something. But the hilarious thing about it is Ali only stated this after Marciano died in a airplane crash. He was being humble and nice to a guy who just died.

The fact that racist white Marciano fanboys can't grasp weight classes if the funniest thing to me. Marciano wasn't a heavyweight by modern standards. Never beat a modern sized heavyweight yet he is one of the best heavyweights of all time? Only to racist white dudes.

Even if you wanted to say Marciano was the greatest 180 pound fighter who ever lived. That would be a straight up lie as well. How is Marciano a 180 pound fighter beating a old Joe Louis, old Archie Moore, old Ezzard Charles and old Jersey Joe Walcott something special? How is beating old men, tomato cans, and mafia controlled fighters something to brag about?

Rocky Marciano fanboys are the most biased and most racist of all fanboys.

[N/A]

It is funny when racist white dudes bring up even Ali said he didn't know if he could beat Marciano as is that means something. But the hilarious thing about it is Ali only stated this after Marciano died in a airplane crash. He was being humble and nice to a guy who just died.

The fact that racist white Marciano fanboys can't grasp weight classes if the funniest thing to me. Marciano wasn't a heavyweight by modern standards. Never beat a modern sized heavyweight yet he is one of the best heavyweights of all time? Only to racist white dudes.

Even if you wanted to say Marciano was the greatest 180 pound fighter who ever lived. That would be a straight up lie as well. How is Marciano a 180 pound fighter beating a old Joe Louis, old Archie Moore, old Ezzard Charles and old Jersey Joe Walcott something special? How is beating old men, tomato cans, and mafia controlled fighters something to brag about?

Rocky Marciano fanboys are the most biased and most racist of all fanboys.

Absolutely fine not to like someone, but spilling all that *hit you sound like a black Marciano hater.

Yeah, "old opponents", mafia-controlled fighters who just agreed to be KOed, some of them so damaged, that they ended their careers.

Rocky was a heavyweight for the standards back there. Take one modern heavyweight, make him travel back in time, so he can grow from kid to man and probably he wouldn't be the size he is in the present. So maybe Rocky's fanboys are the most biased, but so are his haters (especially the black ones).

[The Defecator]

Apart from being a rude *******, you are also extraordinarily ******,I'm not using a nobody like Humphrey ****ing Jackson to prove anything .
I mentioned him to rebut in a humorous way Queensbury's statement that Marciano padded his record by fighting his brother.
He did nothing of the sort,he boxed his brother in exhibitions ,which I clearly stated.
Just how ****ing dense are you?
I happen to believe Marciano is unproven against a class modern sized heavyweight who was near prime.
I also believe the following fighters, in their primes stop him
Dempsey
Louis
Liston
Ali
Foreman
Lewis
Tyson
If I was trying to make a case for Marciano being successful against a class big heavy,WHICH I AM NOT!
I sure wouldn't pick Humphrey ****ing Jackson! I would have to go for journeyman Johnny Shkor 6' 41/2" 220 1/2lbs
Don't call me liar again you piece of ****, I've forgotten more about boxing than you have yet to learn.
You ignorant, arrogant little ****!

^^^^^ After my own heart! Don't waste time with *******s; just slap the Chiclets out of their grills and send them packing

[Anthony342]

Absolutely fine not to like someone, but spilling all that *hit you sound like a black Marciano hater.

Yeah, "old opponents", mafia-controlled fighters who just agreed to be KOed, some of them so damaged, that they ended their careers.

Rocky was a heavyweight for the standards back there. Take one modern heavyweight, make him travel back in time, so he can grow from kid to man and probably he wouldn't be the size he is in the present. So maybe Rocky's fanboys are the most biased, but so are his haters (especially the black ones).

Hey man, I'm a Marciano fan, as you can tell from my avatar, but I have no bias. I prefer to accept facts. Rocky was the best of his era and I'm fine with him being ranked where he usually is among heavyweights, which is top 10-15. I've heard accusations of him not fighting certain contenders. Even if true, he would've been prevented from fighting them by management, not himself. Marciano was not about ducking anyone on his career. That's why he beat LaStarza in a title defense. Because some people thought their first fight that was not definitive. It was his only decision win that wasn't unanimous, but a close split decision. So Rocky rematched him to prove he was the better fighter. Yeah, it was 3 years later, but he still made the rematch happen. Some people don't even do that.

[Ivich]

Hey man, I'm a Marciano fan, as you can tell from my avatar, but I have no bias. I prefer to accept facts. Rocky was the best of his era and I'm fine with him being ranked where he usually is among heavyweights, which is top 10-15. I've heard accusations of him not fighting certain contenders. Even if true, he would've been prevented from fighting them by management, not himself. Marciano was not about ducking anyone on his career. That's why he beat LaStarza in a title defense. Because some people thought their first fight that was not definitive. It was his only decision win that wasn't unanimous, but a close split decision. So Rocky rematched him to prove he was the better fighter. Yeah, it was 3 years later, but he still made the rematch happen. Some people don't even do that.

Lastarza really didn't deserve a title shot.imo.
Marciano may not have any other split dec wins,but many thought Lowry beat him the first time.


Michael J. Thomas of the Providence Journal wrote, "Marciano did not win the fight. This reporter gave it to Lowry, six rounds to four.”

The crowd of 3,696 booed the decision and some wondered if Lowry had thrown the fight. "There were some questions as to whether Lowry, who had come close to knocking out Marciano in the second, third and fourth rounds, deliberately bogged down in his attack after the fourth stanza," Thomas wrote. "Lowry stopped using his uppercut after the fourth. He went into a shell and only occasionally landed power shots. He seemed to be carrying Marciano."

In his book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of His Times, Russell Sullivan wrote the following: "It was Lowry, not Marciano, who was on the verge of scoring an early knockout, stinging Marciano with two terrific rights in the first round and then rocking him with two mighty uppercuts in the second. By the fourth, a staggered Marciano seemed just one punch away from being knocked out. But then, inexplicably, Lowry stopped fighting and retreated into a shell despite warnings from the referee to open up and a cascade of boos from the crowd. To many, it appeared that Lowry was deliberately carrying Marciano. Was foul play afoot? Was Lowry getting paid to lose? Or was he merely tiring? Whatever the reason, a revived Marciano managed to rally in the late rounds even though many of his punches missed their mark or lacked force. On the basis of his aggressiveness and constant punching, Marciano won a unanimous decision from the judges. Most observers felt, however, that Lowry should have won."
Lowry, who earned $2,500 for the fight, denied he threw the fight. "I beat Rocky that night and that’s it," he said. "He changed his strategy in the fifth round and made a fight of it, but I won two of the last six rounds after winning the first four. It was a hometown decision."

[QueensburyRules]

- - Shame is on boxing and the media who either didn’t film or lost the footage of those Lowrey fights…