Rocky Marciano is very overrated IMO

[Ivich]

- - It was I pointing it out to you and your Rocky failures...sorted...

Yeah Ol Rock padding his record by fighting his 18years old 165lbs kid brother Sonny,
Sonny boxing under such names as:
Harry Bilazarian
Eddie Ross
Don Mogard
And 254lbs HumphreyJackson,Sonny had to wear a fat suit for that one.
Queenie , when it comes to Rocco Marchegiano.You Da Man!

[Willie Pep 229]

Just under 2 years. Marciano was at Fort Benjamin Harrison which had been re- designated as a barracks for US servicemen convicted of crimes in military courts.It had previously been for German POW's
Marciano was re-assigned to Fort Lewis near Tacoma Washington where he was reinstated from prisoner to private, he served there for the rest of1946 Marciano had re-enlisted so that his dis-honourable discharge would be reversed.
Marciano's papers stated in the three and a half years he had been in the service he had lost 663 days of active service, he was not paid for those days. Chapter 2 page 49 "Unbeaten," by Mike Stanton. Marciano never took any part in the D Day landings, he was in the stockade ,nor did he have any part in Operation Market Garden.
Stanton includes a front and profile mugshot of Rocky in military prison garb with the caption.
" While his fellow soldiers participated in the invasion June 1944 .Marciano faced an army courtmartial for assault and robbery the photo is between pages 244 and 245 of Stanton's book
From March 16th 1946 until March 28th 1946 Marciano was in the prison hospital with pneumonia

Marciano later claimed when he came home to Brockton for a month furlough, that he was stationed in Indiana. Stanton proved this to be false.

OK I found the lost year. My mistake.

Marciano fought his first pro fight in March of 1947 just two or three months after release from prison at the end of 1946.

He would not fight again until July of 1948.

That's the lost year (15 months) where he earned his honorable discharge.

The timeline works.

Where I blew it: I looked at the date of the first fight, March 1947 and then looked to see when he fought next. It was July and that made sense to me, but I didn't note that the year had changed.

So he really started his career in summer '48.

Sorry.

[Ivich]

OK I found the lost year. My mistake.

Marciano fought his first pro fight in March of 1947 just two or three months after release from prison at the end of 1946.

He would not fight again until July of 1948.

That's the lost year (15 months) where he earned his honorable discharge.

The timeline works.

Where I blew it: I looked at the date of the first fight, March 1947 and then looked to see when he fought next. It was July and that made sense to me, but I didn't note that the year had changed.

So he really started his career in summer '48.

Sorry.

No need for apologies we are all learning from each other.[well most of us] lol!

[shawnkemp804]

Yeah Ol Rock padding his record by fighting his 18years old 165lbs kid brother Sonny,
Sonny boxing under such names as:
Harry Bilazarian
Eddie Ross
Don Mogard
And 254lbs HumphreyJackson,Sonny had to wear a fat suit for that one.
Queenie , when it comes to Rocco Marchegiano.You Da Man!

Lol Humphrey Jackson started his career weighing 160. So because he fattened up to 254 means something? Also Jackson was a bum who also got knocked out by 154 pound Curtis Moore

[Ivich]

Lol Humphrey Jackson started his career weighing 160. So because he fattened up to 254 means something? Also Jackson was a bum who also got knocked out by 154 pound Curtis Moore

What exactly has Jackson's abilities or lack of them to do with anything?

[shawnkemp804]

What exactly has Jackson's abilities or lack of them to do with anything?

Lol the same thing you lying about his guys natural weight has to do with it. Jackson was a 160 pound fighter who got fat and weighed 254 pounds. But you will try to use that to justify Marciano could beat natural 200 plus pounds like George Foreman, Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, ect.

[Ivich]

Lol the same thing you lying about his guys natural weight has to do with it. Jackson was a 160 pound fighter who got fat and weighed 254 pounds. But you will try to use that to justify Marciano could beat natural 200 plus pounds like George Foreman, Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, ect.

Apart from being a rude *******, you are also extraordinarily ******,I'm not using a nobody like Humphrey ****ing Jackson to prove anything .
I mentioned him to rebut in a humorous way Queensbury's statement that Marciano padded his record by fighting his brother.
He did nothing of the sort,he boxed his brother in exhibitions ,which I clearly stated.
Just how ****ing dense are you?
I happen to believe Marciano is unproven against a class modern sized heavyweight who was near prime.
I also believe the following fighters, in their primes stop him
Dempsey
Louis
Liston
Ali
Foreman
Lewis
Tyson
If I was trying to make a case for Marciano being successful against a class big heavy,WHICH I AM NOT!
I sure wouldn't pick Humphrey ****ing Jackson! I would have to go for journeyman Johnny Shkor 6' 41/2" 220 1/2lbs
Don't call me liar again you piece of ****, I've forgotten more about boxing than you have yet to learn.
You ignorant, arrogant little ****!

[Ivich]

Rocky Marciano had the unfortune to be fighting during a weak era. But this is not to say Marciano is overrated.

People often say "he would be too small", "he would be outweighed" or "he was too slow" when givng reasons for why Marciano would get licked by fighters of other eras. But this is what people said when Marciano was fighting as well! He was thought of as a slow, untalented and short slugger with no decent chance of becoming good, much less champion. I guess he proved them wrong...

Every time he fought somebody good, the public expected him to lose. Against Rex Layne, against Harry Matthews, against Joe Louis and against Jersey Joe Walcott. He defeated them all by ko. Some of his foes were past their primes, but this is not to say that they were bums!

Joe Louis had won his last eight fights before getting stopped by Marciano.

Jersey Joe Walcott fought the fight of his life against Marciano, and proved he was a slick, skilled and powerful foe even at 38.

Ezzard Charles was 32 and still a very good fighter when he met Marciano. Maybe fading, but he had alot of experience with more than 100 profights, and he still had the desire for the game at this point.

Archie Moore was younger than his age would suggest when fighting Marciano. After getting beaten badly by Rocky, he kept fighting for eight more years, earning a 43-3-2 record!

And in the beginning of his career, he was often thrown in the ring against much more experienced fighters. This is because he didn't have a manager for the first part of his career. So he was depending on other fighters managers to get fights. By this, he was often used as a "sitting duck" for managers trying to build their fighters. For instance, he fought undefeated Eddie Ross (26-0 with 23kos) in his fifth fight. It only took him 1 minute to dispatch of Ross.

Marciano was a fighter that defied the odds. He was short, weighed aprox. 185 lbs, was slow, had mediocre skills and started fighting as a pro at 24. This should spell disaster for him, but it didn't. With his stamina, chin, power and heart, he brawled his way to the championship belt and through six defenses, before hanging em' up.

To say Rocky Marciano was not a great fighter, is ridiculos. He was one of the greatest heavyweights of all time. It is not his fault that he fought during a less than great era, and it should not be held against him. He never ducked anyone and beat them all. Nobody has never been able to this, before or after Marciano.

I am sure he would defeat many alltime greats if he was given half a chance.

Overrated? I think not.

Ross was 15-0-1 ,and he was a super middle who never weighed over175lbs.

[QueensburyRules]

Ross was 15-0-1 ,and he was a super middle who never weighed over175lbs.

- - Nobody then had any conception of such a far fetched contraption as super middle. Ya musta fegot...

[Ivich]

- - Nobody then had any conception of such a far fetched contraption as super middle. Ya musta fegot...

Its the weight area Ross was sometimes fighting in. Just because I own you every time I correct with you, you shouldn't feel obliged to try and score trivial, pedantic, non existent points in return, they miss the target and just make you look silly.