Benny Leonard vs Floyd Mmayweather-135

[Kid McCoy]

i'd pick mayweather to beat britton, ritchie, dundee, and welsh as well, going off of memory and not heading to the boxrec for some extras.

these are good fighters, yes, and hall of famers, but they are still lesser fighters than mayweather.

That's a very bold statement. What has Mayweather has done to suggest he could beat those guys, let alone that they were lesser fighters than him? I don't see Leonard having much trouble with N'dou, Sosa, Corralles etc. Castillo was the best Mayweather fought at 135 and remember a lot of people thought he beat Floyd.

this thread isn't about resume, it's about picking who you would think would win in a prizefight, and i pick floyd mayweather based on the styles and the fighters and how i think things would play out.

But resume shows what a fighter is capable of. If Leonard proved himself against better fighters than Mayweather, and beat better fighters than Mayweather has beaten, then that tells me he has a good shot at beating Mayweather. In a long career precious few outboxed Leonard. His main weakness was some durability issues. Several of the big punchers he faced either KO'd him or almost did, and that's not Floyd's forte. Like I said I don't totally discount Floyd's chances here but if I was betting I'd go with the more proven fighter.

smaller, too. with a same day weigh in floyd would have likely never even been a LW.

That's a good point. I'm not sure if Floyd could have made 135 at ringside like Leonard had to, so we may have to settle for one of those dreaded catchweights.

[26 and Live]

You're saying that KOs aren't Floyd's forte but he was a KO machine at LW. It wasn't until moving up to WW when his KO ratio declined.

[New England]

That's a very bold statement. What has Mayweather has done to suggest he could beat those guys, let alone that they were lesser fighters than him? I don't see Leonard having much trouble with N'dou, Sosa, Corralles etc. Castillo was the best Mayweather fought at 135 and remember a lot of people thought he beat Floyd.



But resume shows what a fighter is capable of. If Leonard proved himself against better fighters than Mayweather, and beat better fighters than Mayweather has beaten, then that tells me he has a good shot at beating Mayweather. In a long career precious few outboxed Leonard. His main weakness was some durability issues. Several of the big punchers he faced either KO'd him or almost did, and that's not Floyd's forte. Like I said I don't totally discount Floyd's chances here but if I was betting I'd go with the more proven fighter.



That's a good point. I'm not sure if Floyd could have made 135 at ringside like Leonard had to, so we may have to settle for one of those dreaded catchweights.

i respect your pick and you make some good points on the issue.
i do think leonard probably goes through floyds resume at 135 results similar to floyds. corrales would have a punchers chance at 135 and would be more of a live dog than he was at 130 against mayweather when he was rumored to be very drained.

i'm not certain how floyd would do against 10-20 opponents a year, but i stand by my picks against welsh, britton, dundee, ritchie if he were only fighting twice a year and didn't have to fight them all in a row. i don't wish that on any man lol.

at 135 floyd was a very stern puncher in my opinion, though he's never been a real destroyer who sets out with the intention to stop a man. he's an opportunist.
at 130 he could flat out ****.

but still, i don't think he'd stop leonard.

[wmute]

ppl... focus... 130 weigh in the day before = 135 same day weigh in.

certainly in this case.

helluva fight of course. Two of the smartest fighters to ever set foot on a ring. No idea what the fight would look like.

[The Surgeon]

Im finding it hard to picture this one. Mayweather had decent pop down at 135 its worth noting and threw far more combinations than he does these days.

I dunno really, Benny is an unquestionable ATG and by all accounts a bit of a wizard in there, hell he was called The ****** Wizard wasnt he!? But ive really come to appreciate Floyd lately, love him or hate him his skills are undeniable and i think there's some steel in him behind all the flash. Fought in todays terms id pick Mayweather over the distance i think, baring in mind he holds a 3 inch height And reach advantage. Not that that means much but when ur fighting a guy with Floyds ability the last thing u want to be doing is giving up size aswell

[JAB5239]

i'm not certain how floyd would do against 10-20 opponents a year, but i stand by my picks against welsh, britton, dundee, ritchie if he were only fighting twice a year and didn't have to fight them all in a row. i don't wish that on any man lol.

On talent I believe Floyd capable of hanging with almost anyone. But if he had fought back then and had to fight the same schedule that Leonard fought I have few doubts he would also have losses. His hands just wouldn't hold up with smaller gloves and the inferior medical attention of the day.

[RubenSonny]

ppl... focus... 130 weigh in the day before = 135 same day weigh in.

certainly in this case.

helluva fight of course. Two of the smartest fighters to ever set foot on a ring. No idea what the fight would look like.

Correct, Floyd at 130 was weighing in at about lightweight and just over.

[IronDanHamza]

I think it's a competitive fight that Leonard wins.

He isn't the Greatest Lightweight of all time for nothing, after all.

[Greatest1942]

i'd pick mayweather to beat britton, ritchie, dundee, and welsh as well, going off of memory and not heading to the boxrec for some extras.


these are good fighters, yes, and hall of famers, but they are still lesser fighters than mayweather.

smaller, too. with a same day weigh in floyd would have likely never even been a LW.


this thread isn't about resume, where 2011 mayweather can't hold leonard's jock, it's about picking who you think would win in a prizefight, and i pick floyd mayweather based on the styles and the fighters and how i think things would play out.

If...and thats a big if...Floyd was not matched teh same way LEonard was...did not fight so often and a whole lot...

Now you hold the Ritchie fight against Leonard...man...Leonard fought almost half of Floyds total number of fight that year...it was his 7th or 8 th fight that year...if memory serves me right. He went on to fight a whole lot many times that year itself....so would Floyd have done much better under the same schedule?

My point is these are all HOFers and with the schedule Leonard maintained its natural he will drop some to competitive fighters...put Floyd in that era , with Leonards schedule, he will drop more than Leonard I bet....They were not paper HOFers by the way..many will rank as the best Floyd beat...and some will beat a Floyd fighting his 8th fight in 3 months sure.

And besides some of the loses you are naming against Leonard (with Boxwreck) were disputed there were lots of reports that gave it to Leonard also. Like you name Dundee, who was a better fighter than most Floyd faced...

But here are some fight reports you wont find in boxwreck

DUNDEE AND LEONARD FIGHT TEN TERRIFIC ROUNDS TO A DRAW DECISION.
LIGHT WEIGHTS FIGHT A DRAW; Leonard Shows Knowlegde of the Finer Points; Dundee is Speed Merchant and Keeps at It; Fast Pace Set and Continued Throughout. Lightweights.

Bear in mind he fought 14 days before and 18 days after this fight...

You might say we can go by the results, but hey if we only see the results via the record books, then Floyd is greater than SRR since he never lost...Ali is worse than Wlad or Vitaly

FRom the Video its apparent that Leonard was extremely skill full...He also had much more experience and was tried and tested....He will outfight Floyd and win a competitive bout

[SCtrojansbaby]

Yet to this day, no one has been able to tell me HOW these "advanced training techniques" or "modern nutritional science" have been put in to use for todays fighters.

If we compare how they both train and eat, it looks extremely similar. The only big difference would be that there was more athletes to compete with back in the days.

Take a class on nutrition or sport medicine.