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Originally posted by Greatest1942 View PostIf...and thats a big if...Floyd was not matched teh same way LEonard was...did not fight so often and a whole lot...
Now you hold the Ritchie fight against Leonard...man...Leonard fought almost half of Floyds total number of fight that year...it was his 7th or 8 th fight that year...if memory serves me right. He went on to fight a whole lot many times that year itself....so would Floyd have done much better under the same schedule?
My point is these are all HOFers and with the schedule Leonard maintained its natural he will drop some to competitive fighters...put Floyd in that era , with Leonards schedule, he will drop more than Leonard I bet....They were not paper HOFers by the way..many will rank as the best Floyd beat...and some will beat a Floyd fighting his 8th fight in 3 months sure.
And besides some of the loses you are naming against Leonard (with Boxwreck) were disputed there were lots of reports that gave it to Leonard also. Like you name Dundee, who was a better fighter than most Floyd faced...
But here are some fight reports you wont find in boxwreck
DUNDEE AND LEONARD FIGHT TEN TERRIFIC ROUNDS TO A DRAW DECISION.
LIGHT WEIGHTS FIGHT A DRAW; Leonard Shows Knowlegde of the Finer Points; Dundee is Speed Merchant and Keeps at It; Fast Pace Set and Continued Throughout. Lightweights.
Bear in mind he fought 14 days before and 18 days after this fight...
You might say we can go by the results, but hey if we only see the results via the record books, then Floyd is greater than SRR since he never lost...Ali is worse than Wlad or Vitaly
FRom the Video its apparent that Leonard was extremely skill full...He also had much more experience and was tried and tested....He will outfight Floyd and win a competitive bout
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check the rest of my posts, Bro
and you're really getting on me for using the boxrec? moving on
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this just sounds childish to me. i hope you aren't being serious and trying to build a stance on something with logic (or reversed logic, whatever you want to call it. sarcasm,) like that
i'm not being biased toward any era. i've seen plenty of film of both fighters. i'm pretty sure i've seen every mayweather fight available on film
i don't think benny leonard would win a decision against floyd mayweather in a 15 round fight. i think floyd is all wrong for him.
bigger, stronger, better boxer. i developed this opinion through my understanding of boxing. it might not be perfect, nobody's is.
not some hackneyed idea that being undefeated makes floyd the greatest fighter of all time, or that modernity is an inherently greater-making quality
i'm not some floyd fan boy, dude. ask around if you have to. i like to think i know a little bit about boxing.
i pick plenty of WW's to beat floyd
and a few LW's
leonard is not one of themLast edited by New England; 10-01-2011, 09:59 AM.
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Originally posted by New England View Postfirst bold
check the rest of my posts, Bro
and you're really getting on me for using the boxrec? moving on
second bold
this just sounds childish to me. i hope you aren't being serious and trying to build a stance on something with logic (or reversed logic, whatever you want to call it. sarcasm,) like that
i'm not being biased toward any era. i've seen plenty of film of both fighters. i'm pretty sure i've seen every mayweather fight available on film
i don't think benny leonard would win a decision against floyd mayweather in a 15 round fight. i think floyd is all wrong for him.
bigger, stronger, better boxer. i developed this opinion through my understanding of boxing. it might not be perfect, nobody's is.
not some hackneyed idea that being undefeated makes floyd the greatest fighter of all time, or that modernity is an inherently greater-making quality
i'm not some floyd fan boy, dude. ask around if you have to. i like to think i know a little bit about boxing.
i pick plenty of WW's to pick floyd
and a few LW's
leonard is not one of them
Out of interest who are the LW's u pick over PBF?
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Originally posted by JAB5239 View PostWhy don't you just give us some examples?
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Originally posted by The Surgeon View PostI can say u are no fan boy and a solid poster. I happen to agree Mayweather would take this one.
Out of interest who are the LW's u pick over PBF?
thank you champ
duran.
whitaker (i'd pick floyd at WW.)
ike williams (though i'd have the least confidence in williams of all of the men listed.)
old master gans.
a few. perhaps i could dig a few more up with some thought. i don't want to put somebody down and then come to the realization later on that i think floyd could take him.
ww's is a longer list. i put four up a few pages down in the section and i'll throw them back up here.
hearns via knockout
ray leonard decision
burley decision
robinson knockoutLast edited by New England; 10-01-2011, 10:22 AM.
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Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby View PostI haven't taken any nutrition or sport medicine classes. But the most basic things are better medicine, better workouts, better equipment, better doctors etc etc. Manny Pacquiao works with people who have Masters degrees from UCLA I think its safe to say they might know a few more things about the human body than the cutman from rocky
Lol
WHY?
you want to know how ariza learned about boxing?
a year long unpaid apprenticeship under roach
the average jamoke coming out of UCLA with a BA knows more about the surface of the moon than he does boxing.
if medicine helps out boxers it keep us from losing fighters like greb and flowers at young ages
if you blow an ACL you used to be all done
then ten years ago you were out for a year
today you're looking at 6 months
that helps out boxers who blow ACL's, or sustain injuries like robert guerrero recently with what i think was his rotator cuff
but it does not guarantee you will have better boxers
you're claiming that COLLEGES are responsible for "better boxers?"
lol, man
you really are clueless. i'm sorry to call you out.
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Originally posted by New England View PostLol
WHY?
you want to know how ariza learned about boxing?
a year long unpaid apprenticeship under roach
the average jamoke coming out of UCLA with a BA knows more about the surface of the moon than he does boxing.
if medicine helps out boxers it keep us from losing fighters like greb and flowers at young ages
if you blow an ACL you used to be all done
then ten years ago you were out for a year
today you're looking at 6 months
that helps out boxers who blow ACL's, or sustain injuries like robert guerrero recently with what i think was his rotator cuff
but it does not guarantee you will have better boxers
you're claiming that COLLEGES are responsible for "better boxers?"
lol, man
you really are clueless. i'm sorry to call you out.
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