RJJ vs Hagler

[gatorDelux]

Castro was what, 30 when Duran beat him? Wouldn't say Castro was prime as I'm not sure he ever had one. Duran fought Hagler how many years earlier?
Nope Duran at least = Castro as a win. Duran kept the fight competitive but Hagler was firmly in control against a decent motivated Duran. Judges scored it closet than it was and I'm a far bigger Duran fan than Hagler fan

u owned him....

sc is such a castro lover

[crold1]

One could argue Marvin Hagler beat better fighters between his first losses and winning the title than he did after, sparing Hearns. Hart, the revenge wins over Monroe and Watts, BRISCOE (even if Bennie were past peak)...there was some flat out sick talent out in Philly. Seales could fight too. Add to them Minter and Anutfermo (both good fighters if not GREAT with a capital "G") and tough contenders like Roldan and Hamsho in his reign and you have a full resume on hand.

Castro was a tough hombre but, really, a one hit wonder (the miracle against Jackson) who also managed some highly debatable hometown calls against Johnson. Good fighter, but hardly in a class with even the older Briscoe or even the younger Duran. Heck, he was just a class above his best weight when he fought Duran and couldn't beat the old man's ghost.

[gatorDelux]

castro iisnt better than any of hags title defensess ...

equal to some of them.

[SCtrojansbaby]

One could argue Marvin Hagler beat better fighters between his first losses and winning the title than he did after, sparing Hearns. Hart, the revenge wins over Monroe and Watts, BRISCOE (even if Bennie were past peak)...there was some flat out sick talent out in Philly. Seales could fight too. Add to them Minter and Anutfermo (both good fighters if not GREAT with a capital "G") and tough contenders like Roldan and Hamsho in his reign and you have a full resume on hand.

Castro was a tough hombre but, really, a one hit wonder (the miracle against Jackson) who also managed some highly debatable hometown calls against Johnson. Good fighter, but hardly in a class with even the older Briscoe or even the younger Duran. Heck, he was just a class above his best weight when he fought Duran and couldn't beat the old man's ghost.

He beat both Johnson and Jackson twice(the 2nd Jackson win coming when both were past there prime). He also beat Duran in their first fght which was in Argentina then lost to Duran in Panama.

Castro went on to be arguable the best middleweight in the world for a short period which is as great of an accomplishment as anything any of the guys Hagler beat minus Hearns did

Also Vaca and Mulinga>Briscoe

[GJC]

He beat both Johnson and Jackson twice(the 2nd Jackson win coming when both were past there prime). He also beat Duran in their first fght which was in Argentina then lost to Duran in Panama.

Castro went on to be arguable the best middleweight in the world for a short period which is as great of an accomplishment as anything any of the guys Hagler beat minus Hearns did

Also Vaca and Mulinga>Briscoe

You are more of an expert on Castro than me, what was his win loss record for his fights outside Argentina.

[jabsRstiff]

He beat both Johnson and Jackson twice(the 2nd Jackson win coming when both were past there prime). He also beat Duran in their first fght which was in Argentina then lost to Duran in Panama.

Castro went on to be arguable the best middleweight in the world for a short period which is as great of an accomplishment as anything any of the guys Hagler beat minus Hearns did

Also Vaca and Mulinga>Briscoe

Smart guy....did you see Jorge Vaca get knocked down 6 times, and then out, in 2 rounds by WELTERWEIGHT Simon Brown.....or the three round, body shot KO loss to WELTERWEIGHT Lloyd Honeyghan?

[SCtrojansbaby]

Smart guy....did you see Jorge Vaca get knocked down 6 times, and then out, in 2 rounds by WELTERWEIGHT Simon Brown.....or the three round, body shot KO loss to WELTERWEIGHT Lloyd Honeyghan?

Ok but Vaca was coming off 3 good wins against Mark Breland and Quincy Taylor. I am not saying Vaca was a great fighter anything but Roy knocked him out in the first round which is what makes it a very good win.

Oh and Briscoe lost to some guy named David Love after Hagler beat him like I said Vaca>Briscoe

[The_Demon]

Haglers mw resume >>> Jones mw resume,that isnt even debatable

h2h its a 50/50 imo

It would be wrong too underestimate Hagler in this match-up,Jones has a big edge in handspeed thats a given,but i believe the marvellous one holds more advantages over Roy than Roy does over him,plus Jones never faced as well a rounded opponent with the caliber of Hagler at any weight,let alone 160

[Mr. Invincible]

Haglers mw resume >>> Jones mw resume,that isnt even debatable

h2h its a 50/50 imo

It would be wrong too underestimate Hagler in this match-up,Jones has a big edge in handspeed thats a given,but i believe the marvellous one holds more advantages over Roy than Roy does over him,plus Jones never faced as well a rounded opponent with the caliber of Hagler at any weight,let alone 160

Hopkins wasn't well rounded? How about James Toney?

Anyways, were not comparing resume's. This is a head to head matchup and as the poll inticates above, Jones beats Haggler prime 4 prime.

It's debatable but the results speak for themselves.

[The_Demon]

Hopkins wasn't well rounded? How about James Toney?

Anyways, were not comparing resume's. This is a head to head matchup and as the poll inticates above, Jones beats Haggler prime 4 prime.

It's debatable but the results speak for themselves.

As well rounded as a prime Hagler? no chance

I know its a h2h match-up,thats why i actually explained why i think its a 50/50,i make my own mind up instead of going off what the 'poll indicates',and yes its very debatable,thats why the results of the poll are close