Agree Or Disagree, Roy Jones Jr Top 30 ATG?

[seopower]

i agree with you

[SCtrojansbaby]

I'll say both Toney and Hopkins are A- wins. How you ever came to the conclusion Sosa, Griffin and Gonzales are anything more than c+ wins is beyond me. And YES Roy has a legitimate loss to one of those C+ fighters. Jones may have been coming on at the time of his (legitimate DQ) but he was out landed up to that point by Griffin who also had the better connect percentage. McCallum was 114 years old at the time he fought Jones. He was so old he actually learned to box from Joe Gans.

I don't know why I am doing this but I will.

Sosa was a very tough fighter he gave Toney hell at 160, beat Glen Johnson at 168 and he had just beaten Prince Charles Williams and was considered to be a top 5 light heavyweight.

Griffin was coming off a win against Toney but I agree he was more of a C+/B level fighter but Roy knocked him out in the first round which is why its a B+ win

Gonzalez beat Dariusz giving him his first loss you can complain about Roy not fighting dariusz and then at the same time not give Gonzalez credit for being a B level fighter. And of course Roy shut him out in very impressive fashion which is why its a B+ level win.

McCallum was old as hell but was still a top 5 light heavyweight who narrowly lost his belt to Tiozzo. Old as he was McCallum had never been dominated before and Roy shut him out in impressive fashion.

I have already gone over the BS DQ. Griffin faked the KO because he knew he wouldn't have made it out of the round. Oh and as far as who was up it was a close fight not as clear as you make it out to be.

Oh and I am not responding to you again on the subject so say your usual crap about where is the proof and how everybody was weight drained or not in there prime blah blah.

[JAB5239]

I don't know why I am doing this but I will.

Sosa was a very tough fighter he gave Toney hell at 160, beat Glen Johnson at 168 and he had just beaten Prince Charles Williams and was considered to be a top 5 light heavyweight.

Griffin was coming off a win against Toney but I agree he was more of a C+/B level fighter but Roy knocked him out in the first round which is why its a B+ win

Gonzalez beat Dariusz giving him his first loss you can complain about Roy not fighting dariusz and then at the same time not give Gonzalez credit for being a B level fighter. And of course Roy shut him out in very impressive fashion which is why its a B+ level win.

McCallum was old as hell but was still a top 5 light heavyweight who narrowly lost his belt to Tiozzo. Old as he was McCallum had never been dominated before and Roy shut him out in impressive fashion.

I have already gone over the BS DQ. Griffin faked the KO because he knew he wouldn't have made it out of the round. Oh and as far as who was up it was a close fight not as clear as you make it out to be.

Oh and I am not responding to you again on the subject so say your usual crap about where is the proof and how everybody was weight drained or not in there prime blah blah.

You've used triangle theories to try and legitimize your position, excused McCallum being 114 years old, and offered ZERO proof (as usual) of Griffin faking getting hit while down. I wouldn't want to respond again either with this weak argument.

Roy is in the top 50 p4p all time. If it was based on the most naturally gifted he'd be in the top 5. Bottom line is he sports a weak resume compared to true top 30 fighters to be ranked that high. To bad because he had the talent to get there, he just didn't make all the fights.

[StarshipTrooper]

Duran
A+ wins Leonard(the best win on the list)
A- wins Marcel Dejesus 3 Buchannon
B+ wins Moore Palomino Dejesus 2

Quit against Leonard I don't hold that too much against him but the first Dejesus fight knocks him down a little bit IMO

More proof you don't know jack ****. DeJesus is by and large considered an ATG Lightweight.

Poet

[McGoorty]

Based on resume and quality of wins I am confident I could compile a list of 30 fighters who should rank higher all time than Jones, so my answer is a resounding no.

Yeah I agree with Jab, you can have him there but who do you take out ? Packey McFarland, Canzoneri, Walker ? there are just so many, an ATG list takes all decades into account, boxing didn't begin with Ray Robinson in the late 30's and I think you could rate Roy's opposition overall about 3 out of 10, actually most of his fights bored me so he's not in the top 30 most exciting fighters ever. I respect people who hold him high though.

[bojangles1987]

His resume doesn't allow it, but I don't think there are 30 fighters better than Roy all time.

[Mugwump]

LOL Roy's resume ranks right up there with Duran Ali Leonard and Chavez as the best of the past 30-40 years

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[Walt Liquor]

I think roy should be somewhere around 30-40. But ive never made a list.

I have bhop higher out of active fighters, and manny neck n neck.

[IronDanHamza]

Yeah I agree with Jab, you can have him there but who do you take out ? Packey McFarland, Canzoneri, Walker ? there are just so many, an ATG list takes all decades into account, boxing didn't begin with Ray Robinson in the late 30's and I think you could rate Roy's opposition overall about 3 out of 10, actually most of his fights bored me so he's not in the top 30 most exciting fighters ever. I respect people who hold him high though.

McFarland, Canzoneri and Walker are definitely greater than Roy Jones.

And there are easily another 27 who are also greater, easily.

I'm pretty stunned shocked at the poll results.

[The_Demon]

McFarland, Canzoneri and Walker are definitely greater than Roy Jones.

And there are easily another 27 who are also greater, easily.

I'm pretty stunned shocked at the poll results.

Im stunned too,some of the guys from NSB must have voted without giving any reason

Their are 50+ guys with a resume better than jones',thats says a lot