Agree Or Disagree, Roy Jones Jr Top 30 ATG?

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[JAB5239]

How do you know he didn't struggle with weight for other fights? The man was struggling with weight from day one. That's why he moved up to 168 in the first place. And even then, he was taking interim fights above the LHW limit. He always struggled with weights. It was only an issue when he got his ass kicked. But either way, it's irrelevant. The win doesn't lose anything so debating the weight doesn't mean much.

Im talking about the specific fights with the other 3 fighters who were pointed out.

And yes,I believe it does take a little bit away from the win. Through out history fighters wins have been detracted from because their opponents weren't at their best., this fight should be no different in my opinion.

[IMDAZED]

Im talking about the specific fights with the other 3 fighters who were pointed out.

And yes,I believe it does take a little bit away from the win. Through out history fighters wins have been detracted from because their opponents weren't at their best., this fight should be no different in my opinion.

Well I'm glad you added the opinion part. Because, for better or worse, Jones moved up a division and shut out an undefeated future HOF'er in his prime. And that my friend, is fact.

[Wild Blue Yonda]

If he is, he'd be the only man in the top-30 who spent a third of his career fighting garbagemen, police officers, members of the fire brigade, & school teachers.

Of course not. Try top 70-80, & then, only on hypothetical matchings, not resume. Not even near to it.

[Daddy T]

to stroj ... you should be able to have a discussion witout calling people who respectfully disagree "******" it's a bit like having a debate and trying to correct your opponent's grammer because you can't correct his argument ... that sort of thing may be run of the mill in NSB where spotty teenagers pick fights with eachother - but the history section here is where the real fans hang.

Anyway IMO Jones really didn't do as much as he could have with the talent he had, and thats the bottom line ... imagine the fights we would get if somebody like Cotto who is up for fighting anybody anytime had Roy's talent? If Jones wanted to confirm himself as the supreme kingpin of the modern era he COULD have done. He should have made it his business to make the top fights happen. He should have pushed himself to the limit when he was at his best so people could really see what he could do ... I wish he fought Hopkins again when both were prime wish he fought Calzaghe when both were prime etc ...he should have fought Collins and Darius etc ... would he have gotten the wins? ... sure ... did he? ... No ... and it hurts his ATG status no two ways about it.

[SCtrojansbaby]

If he is, he'd be the only man in the top-30 who spent a third of his career fighting garbagemen, police officers, members of the fire brigade, & school teachers.

Of course not. Try top 70-80, & then, only on hypothetical matchings, not resume. Not even near to it.

LOL Roy's resume ranks right up there with Duran Ali Leonard and Chavez as the best of the past 30-40 years

Unprecedented Dominance lost maybe 30 rounds in his first 50 fights

A+ wins
Dominated HOFers in their prime Toney and Hopkins

B+ wins
Dominated top 5 contenders Sosa Griffin McCallum Gonzalez Ruiz Harding Hill etc

[JAB5239]

LOL Roy's resume ranks right up there with Duran Ali Leonard and Chavez as the best of the past 30-40 years

Unprecedented Dominance lost maybe 30 rounds in his first 50 fights

A+ wins
Dominated HOFers in their prime Toney and Hopkins

B+ wins
Dominated top 5 contenders Sosa Griffin McCallum Gonzalez Ruiz Harding Hill etc

You're truly turning into the forum joke with posts like this. Jones resume isn't even close to the guys you mentioned and several others on top of it. AND thats only going back the last 30 or 40 years!

[Daddy T]

LOL Roy's resume ranks right up there with Duran Ali Leonard

[SCtrojansbaby]

LOL here it is laid out for you, Roy's resume is right there with those guys.

Leonard
A+ wins Benitez Hearns Duran 2
A wins Hagler
B+ wins Kalule Lalonde

Only loss in his prime is to Duran no shame in that. Not much depth in his resume but obviously has 4 great wins put hm over the top.

Duran
A+ wins Leonard(the best win on the list)
A- wins Marcel Dejesus 3 Buchannon
B+ wins Moore Palomino Dejesus 2

Quit against Leonard I don't hold that too much against him but the first Dejesus fight knocks him down a little bit IMO

Chavez
A+ wins Camacho
A- wins Rosario Taylor
B+ wins Taylor 2 Ramirez Haugen Martinez Mayweather 1

Got beat by Randall he was a just past his prime but Chavez avenged the loss I won't count either fight. Overall a very deep resume

Roy
A+ wins Hopkins Toney
B+ wins Sosa Griffin McCallum Gonzalez Ruiz Hill

No legit losses in his prime. Very deep resume featuring 2 A+ wins

[JAB5239]

LOL here it is laid out for you, Roy's resume is right there with those guys.

Leonard
A+ wins Benitez Hearns Duran 2
A wins Hagler
B+ wins Kalule Lalonde

Only loss in his prime is to Duran no shame in that. Not much depth in his resume but obviously has 4 great wins put hm over the top.

Duran
A+ wins Leonard(the best win on the list) Buchannon
A- wins Marcel Dejesus 3
B+ wins Moore Palomino Dejesus 2

Quit against Leonard I don't hold that too much against him but the first Dejesus fight knocks him down a little bit IMO

Chavez
A+ wins Camacho
A- wins Rosario Taylor
B+ wins Taylor 2 Ramirez Haugen Martinez Mayweather 1

Got beat by Randall he was a just past his prime but Chavez avenged the loss I won't count either fight. Overall a very deep resume

Roy
A+ wins Hopkins Toney
B+ wins Sosa Griffin McCallum Gonzalez Ruiz Hill

No legit losses in his prime. Very deep resume featuring 2 A+ wins

I'll say both Toney and Hopkins are A- wins. How you ever came to the conclusion Sosa, Griffin and Gonzales are anything more than c+ wins is beyond me. And YES Roy has a legitimate loss to one of those C+ fighters. Jones may have been coming on at the time of his (legitimate DQ) but he was out landed up to that point by Griffin who also had the better connect percentage. McCallum was 114 years old at the time he fought Jones. He was so old he actually learned to box from Joe Gans.