Agree Or Disagree, Roy Jones Jr Top 30 ATG?

[SCtrojansbaby]

There is some truth in this. Toney's weight issues were always there. However, there are some versions of Toney who were just abysmal in terms of conditioning and punch output; think Tiberi, Thadzi. That Toney was not a world class fighter, at all. Considering how lacking in effort he was versus Jones, it's fair to wonder whether Jones was in with his very worst.

Not Jones's fault either way, but its a reasonable ask.

LOL Roy made every body look like that. Its just ****** to think James Toney would come out of shape to the biggest fight of his life with consensus #1 pound for pound status at stake

Roy made everybody look bad.

[StarshipTrooper]

Roy made everybody look bad.

And you're making Roy Jones fans look bad :rolleyes9:

Poet

[crold1]

LOL Roy made every body look like that. Its just ****** to think James Toney would come out of shape to the biggest fight of his life with consensus #1 pound for pound status at stake

Roy made everybody look bad.

Why is it ******? Reports before the Jones fight had him cutting massive weight having blown up to around 200 after Williams (and there was a short window between) and he came into the ring over 180 implying massive gain overnight. It's all openly discussed on the Jones-Toney telecast as well. Toney showed up out of shape for lots of big fights. At Heavyweight, his condition varied wildly. It's part of who he was as a fighter.

[Scott9945]

LOL Roy made every body look like that. Its just ****** to think James Toney would come out of shape to the biggest fight of his life with consensus #1 pound for pound status at stake

Roy made everybody look bad.

Toney didn't come to that fight undertrained. He just had to cut too much weight. What about this don't you seem to understand?

[SCtrojansbaby]

Toney didn't come to that fight undertrained. He just had to cut too much weight. What about this don't you seem to understand?

Yeah and I am saying Toney always cut tons of weight only difference is Roy made him look bad.

[JAB5239]

Yeah and I am saying Toney always cut tons of weight only difference is Roy made him look bad.

Cutting weight and struggling to make weight are two different things. If you had noticed, only 4 out of Toney's 9 fights at 168 were within the limit. THAT is struggling to make weight!

[Barn]

5 pages of repeating the same stuff to someone who doesn't grasp the simple.

[EMACULATE]

Based on resume and quality of wins I am confident I could compile a list of 30 fighters who should rank higher all time than Jones, so my answer is a resounding no.

Roy at his peak was a monster but to me the difference that keeps him out of my TOP 30 is the ability not to adapt when he lots his natural quickness. His ability to not be able to take a flush punch from Tarver and Johnson. If he wouldve worked on his Jab abd defense with his natural gifts he couldve remained near the top as Hopkins has, but he was so gifted he let the Jab and defense slip which led to what we are seeing now.

Before FLOYD ROY was my favorite fighter very entertaining and always came in great shape.

[Daddy T]

Roy at his peak was a monster but to me the difference that keeps him out of my TOP 30 is the ability not to adapt when he lots his natural quickness. His ability to not be able to take a flush punch from Tarver and Johnson. If he wouldve worked on his Jab abd defense with his natural gifts he couldve remained near the top as Hopkins has, but he was so gifted he let the Jab and defense slip which led to what we are seeing now.

Before FLOYD ROY was my favorite fighter very entertaining and always came in great shape.

true roy worked off immese natural talent .. speed and reflexes and in his prime v the competition he was facing never had to work overly hard on the fundamentals ... how often did he throw the jab? Compare that to somebody like hopkins who had the fundamentals down to 't' Thus when they got a bit older and the speed and reactions slowed roy was no longer able to rely on his gifts to get him out of trouble and ended up getting dumped on his ass again and again whereas Hopkins still kept on winning. Roy could no longer land these miraclous almost impossible shots almost at will and without having worked so much on the basic fundamentals he was screwed.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Cutting weight and struggling to make weight are two different things. If you had noticed, only 4 out of Toney's 9 fights at 168 were within the limit. THAT is struggling to make weight!

Toney was always struggling to make weight Roy just made him look bad