Best fighters of the 90's?

[THE REED]

son, i've been following boxing for 38 years. I'd hazard to guess i've scored more fights in any given 10 year period then you've watched in your entire life. Now graduate from the special ed school or stfu junior.

Poet

zzzzzing!!!!!

[StarshipTrooper]

Whiter basically did everyting well. He even had power when he needed it ie Hurtado, Lomeli, Nazario.

he was the best fighter of the 90s.

^^^^^This right here

[Steak]

Well, It's not the same as that, really. I mean, it's not like he had one dominant win against a good opponent before the Whitaker fight. He had endless, he was just as dominant as he was in his last 5 fights before Whitaker as he was at Lightweight, IMO.

Would you consider Chavez prime in 1990? Because I did and still do. And I can honestly say I don't see a difference between Chavez in 1993 from the one in 1990.

You touched on the idea that you can tell he wasn't as sharp or his stamina wasn't as good as he was at Lightweight. But, I don't see it, how could you tell that? I can't see where he showed that in his numerous fights up to fighting Whitaker.

I agree with you it was probably the best win of the 90's. I guess it's logical to suggest he may be nearing his decline. But I stick by the fact he didn't show signs of decline up to the fight with Whitaker.

I see it. he wasnt as effortless or calculating as he used to be, and showed more disregard for defense in the mid 90s.

it was kind of like Roy Jones. he was dominant as hell up until he fought Tarver, then he was past prime. You can still notice he wasnt as good as his 168lb days, despite beating the crap out of everyone almost effortlessly up until Tarver.

[IronDanHamza]

Jab and IDH are obviously Whitaker-fanboys, I never waste much time arguing or debating with your kind. You may believe what you want, but its not the truth just because you think so. No matter what one says, they will still continue nuthugging Pernell and ignore the facts.

Let's be honest, Pastrano. Are you honestly calling someone else a nuthugger that's 'ignoring facts'?

Are you not the guy who has Oscar a #6 WW? That claims Oscar dominated Whitaker? That believes Oscar should be ranked above Ray Leonard? I mean, come on. You have no place calling someone else a 'nuthugger'.

I'm not even nuthugging Pernell Whitaker. I'm merely saying Chavez didn't show any signs of decline up to the Whitaker fight, simply because he didn't.

[StarshipTrooper]

No matter what one says, they will still continue nuthugging Pernell and ignore the facts.

The way you're nuthugging on McGirt? That's the only way anyone could score that fight for Buddy: If they were watching through nuthugging fan-boi lenses :yadayadayada9:

Poet

[Pastrano]

Let's be honest, Pastrano. Are you honestly calling someone else a nuthugger that's 'ignoring facts'?

Are you not the guy who has Oscar a #6 WW? That claims Oscar dominated Whitaker? That believes Oscar should be ranked above Ray Leonard? I mean, come on. You have place calling someone else a 'nuthugger'.

I'm not even nuthugging Pernell Whitaker. I'm merely saying Chavez didn't show any signs of decline up to the Whitaker fight, simply because he didn't.

I don't care about the Chavez fight. I think you are overrating his speed, you and JAB and cord. He wasn't exactly Camacho or somebody. And just so that idiot poet knows, I've scored more than 40 fights altogether. And I haven't been doing that as long as him perhaps, but I sure GOT experience you buffoon.

[StarshipTrooper]

I've scored more than 40 fights in as ******ed a manner as humanly possible

Fixed it for ya :geek9:

[IronDanHamza]

I see it. he wasnt as effortless or calculating as he used to be, and showed more disregard for defense in the mid 90s.

it was kind of like Roy Jones. he was dominant as hell up until he fought Tarver, then he was past prime. You can still notice he wasnt as good as his 168lb days, despite beating the crap out of everyone almost effortlessly up until Tarver.

I think the fact Roy Jones gained and lost 20Lbs in the space of a year might have had something to do with that, no?

I don't think that situation relates, considering that kind of weight gain and loss is a pretty big factor.

If you see it, then cool. I can't see what you're seeing.

[Steak]

I think the fact Roy Jones gained and lost 20Lbs in the space of a year might have had something to do with that, no?

I don't think that situation relates, considering that kind of weight gain and loss is a pretty big factor.

If you see it, then cool. I can't see what you're seeing.

that was part of it, but not all of it. reality was Roy had been on the slide for a little, but it was very little and he was still an outstanding fighter. I thought Roy looked better in his 168 days than his late 175lb days, thats for sure.

its difficult to notice a fighter isnt as good as they once were when theyre still dominating good competition, but they still can be on the slide.

again, Chavez was very noticably worse against Randall, and that was a mere 4 months after the Whitaker fight...thats like nothing. you dont instantly go from being at your all time best to past prime in 4 months, barring some really bad occurence outside the ring. and that isnt really 'past prime', thats just bad preparation.

incidently, Roy didnt have to straight up lose '20lbs' of muscle, since like most fighters all you have to do is lose a lot of water weight. I think that weight loss DID effect him...but not to the degree some people make it out to be.

[IronDanHamza]

that was part of it, but not all of it. reality was Roy had been on the slide for a little, but it was very little and he was still an outstanding fighter. I thought Roy looked better in his 168 days than his late 175lb days, thats for sure.

its difficult to notice a fighter isnt as good as they once were when theyre still dominating good competition, but they still can be on the slide.

again, Chavez was very noticably worse against Randall, and that was a mere 4 months after the Whitaker fight...thats like nothing. you dont instantly go from being at your all time best to past prime in 4 months, barring some really bad occurence outside the ring. and that isnt really 'past prime', thats just bad preparation.

incidently, Roy didnt have to straight up lose '20lbs' of muscle, since like most fighters all you have to do is lose a lot of water weight. I think that weight loss DID effect him...but not to the degree some people make it out to be.

Although hardly dominated, he didn't look good against Randall and showed blatent signs of decline. But how do we know why that was. It might be the Whitaker fight took the confidence out of him, after all, it was his first loss. (He must have known he lost the fight, regardless to him saying he felt he won) Sometimes after a first loss this kind of thing happens, especially after being so dominant for so long. Not that I'm saying this is what is was, but I'm saying we don't know why.

The facts are, he showed no signs of decline before the Whitakeer fight to me, he might have to you, but I can't see them. And I only identify someone as past prime when I see signs of decline, and I'm sorry, but I just don't see them.

I disagree with your stance on Roy Jones. Roy Jones says himself the weight had a massive effect on him, he may be just saying that, but I believe him. I mean, he showed clear signs of decline when he moved back down to LHW, in his very first fight. I have no reason to disbelieve Roy.