Roy Jones on his place in history

[StarshipTrooper]

Could Jones take the sort of shots Griffin landed, with relative ease, against Jones in the first fight? Jones would be Glenn'd. I saw enough about what Moorer was as a fighter at Heavyweight to feel safe guessing what he'd do, in shape and fully motivated as he'd be for that caliber foe, at 175. And Holyfield was a much bigger puncher, at Heavy, than Jones was at Light Heavy.

And I certainly saw enough of Moorer to know that while good, he wasn't in Jones' class as a fighter. I'm also sure if a limited journeyman like Cooper could come within a hair's breath of starching Moorer.....

Poet

[fight_professor]

I was re-watching some prime RJJ today. TBH, I am not sure anyone could beat a prime RJJ. Damn, he was so fast and skillful.

[Forza]

The HBO bum blaster doesn't even crack my top 15 LHW's. Couldn't hold the great ezzard charles' jock strap.

[fight_professor]

Then again, being "old-school 8" I don't recognize SMW as being legit so they all get counted as Light-Heavies :geek9:

Poet

This I agree with. I am a classic 8 weight guy until I die.

[Daddy T]

Roy at his best was unbelievable. Problem is he didn't make what could have been some defining fights happen. A Hopkins rematch just before moving up to super middle - Eubank/Collins before moving up to light heavy - Darius M at Light Heavy and then Calzaghe one fight before he moved up to heavy for the Ruiz fight. He could have made all these fights happen and would have beaten them all (his toughest test being the hopkins rematch IMO) and could then have retired after the Ruiz fight and have gone down as one of the greatest ever. Unfortunately he waited until he was shot to start fighting the Calzaghe's/Hopkins's etc. And don't bother going on about that tarver ko 2 or glen johnson etc - the Roy that came back down from heavy was not the same guy ... he was done.

[IMDAZED]

Roy at his best was unbelievable. Problem is he didn't make what could have been some defining fights happen. A Hopkins rematch just before moving up to super middle - Eubank/Collins before moving up to light heavy - Darius M at Light Heavy and then Calzaghe one fight before he moved up to heavy for the Ruiz fight. He could have made all these fights happen and would have beaten them all (his toughest test being the hopkins rematch IMO) and could then have retired after the Ruiz fight and have gone down as one of the greatest ever. Unfortunately he waited until he was shot to start fighting the Calzaghe's/Hopkins's etc. And don't bother going on about that tarver ko 2 or glen johnson etc - the Roy that came back down from heavy was not the same guy ... he was done.

Huh? Tell the truth...you weren't following the sport during most of the periods you mentioned.

[SCtrojansbaby]

They couldn't figure out the $ for a B-Hop rematch and none of the european fights were realistic

[MasterODisaster]

I Find It Strange...

...that people talk about James Toney as being a great fighter in his prime, and a guy who could be a great fighter in any era, yet RJJ at his best is considered to be beatable because he lost when he was clearly on the downslide.

As I recall, RJJ absolutely dominated a prime and in shape James Toney, and also beat Hopkins as well when Roy was not washed up.

How soon people forget how great he truly was by so many just because they see the washed up version of RJJ. That's like me basing my opinions on the shell of what was SRR based on his last few years as a fighter!

To talk about the RJJ that was beaten by Tarver and the RJJ since then is disgusting and ****** if you are talking about the best version of RJJ and how he'd stack up against the best of past era's IMO! As I said previously, we can do the same damned thing with SRR and others that fought on longer than they should have, but most of us are smarter than that, and it makes me think how many of these people are just not happy because in their eyes he didn't make the number of big fights they wanted him to.

[NChristo]

As I recall, RJJ absolutely dominated a prime and in shape James Toney, and also beat Hopkins as well when Roy was not washed up.

RJJ dominated a weight drained Toney who went into training camp at 214 pounds confident that he could still make 168 with only 6 weeks until the fight, after the weigh in he even had to be hooked up on I.V to replace fluids, but you think he was in shape ?.

RJJ would of beat him anyway, but Toney was far from in shape, it's easy to tell just by looking at him

[Vadrigar.]

RJJ dominated a weight drained Toney who went into training camp at 214 pounds confident that he could still make 168 with only 6 weeks until the fight, after the weigh in he even had to be hooked up on I.V to replace fluids, but you think he was in shape ?.

RJJ would of beat him anyway, but Toney was far from in shape, it's easy to tell just by looking at him

Already been debunked here:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195626&highlight=james+toney+weight+drained