Roy Jones on his place in history

[Scott9945]

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I agree. I think Moorer is overrated at 175. He never beat anybody significant at that weight and Jones is the more proven fighter at 175. I think he would pick Moorer apart at that weight.

I agree. The best guy that Moorer ever beat at 175 wasn't even good enough to even spar with Roy Jones. You can't even begin to compare Moorer to Spinks at 175.

[SCtrojansbaby]

We aren't talking about resumes, its about matchups.

[Wild Blue Yonda]

I agree. The best guy that Moorer ever beat at 175 wasn't even good enough to even spar with Roy Jones. You can't even begin to compare Moorer to Spinks at 175.

That's true about Moorer's competition, but I believe he could & quite possibly would end Jones' night at some point in a LHW battle. Jones had lost some power &,more significantly, his inclination to really hurt his rivals once he left SMW, & I feel you need to hurt any fighter rightly described as a beast, as the hungry, young Moorer was. To me, it comes down to what you like --- Jones' speed & experience, or Moorer's power & ring presence.

Those are the types of guys Jones is in the discussion with historically though (at 175), not the likes of Tunney, Moore, Charles,& the absolute elite.

[Scott9945]

That's true about Moorer's competition, but I believe he could & quite possibly would end Jones' night at some point in a LHW battle. Jones had lost some power &,more significantly, his inclination to really hurt his rivals once he left SMW, & I feel you need to hurt any fighter rightly described as a beast, as the hungry, young Moorer was. To me, it comes down to what you like --- Jones' speed & experience, or Moorer's power & ring presence.

Those are the types of guys Jones is in the discussion with historically though (at 175), not the likes of Tunney, Moore, Charles,& the absolute elite.

I would immediately agree that Moorer had the power to turn out Roy's lights at 175. But I just see him at a level below at that weight. Moorer was very aggressive at 175, but he may have been considerably more passive if he got hit flush with some of Jones' lighting fast combinations.

[joseph5620]

I would immediately agree that Moorer had the power to turn out Roy's lights at 175. But I just see him at a level below at that weight. Moorer was very aggressive at 175, but he may have been considerably more passive if he got hit flush with some of Jones' lighting fast combinations.

That's what happened with Reggie Johnson.

[Scott9945]

That's what happened with Reggie Johnson.

That also happens to many of Pacquiao's opponents. They just are overwhelmed by his speed. You can hire fighters to duplicate styles, but you'll never find a sparring partner who can prepare for that speed.

[joseph5620]

That also happens to many of Pacquiao's opponents. They just are overwhelmed by his speed. You can hire fighters to duplicate styles, but you'll never find a sparring partner who can prepare for that speed.

Mosley is going to have to deal with that. He already went through it with Mayweather and the results were not good.

[crold1]

That's what happened with Reggie Johnson.

Comparing Johnson to Moorer? Seen much Moorer? He could be dull when bored but motivated was a killer. Moorer was never one to shy from a fight even if, as a fat heavy, he could sometimes get sleepy with the jab. Moorer, when hurt or tagged, was always one to fire back. If Jones got off some combos, a fight would break out. Moorer was considerably bigger, taller, and could punch through a wall. And he was fast enough. He was good enough to jump two classes, with a tire, and compete with many of the best of one of the greatest Heavyweight generations ever. Shot and past it, he won a war with a younger Jirov.

Moorer would knock Jones into the middle of hell.

Jones might have been greater in a ratings sense, but Moorer was the sort of big, nasty Light Heavyweight that didn't exist in Jones's era. Folks forget that part of Moorer moving up is NO ONE at 175 (mainly Williams and Hill then) would sniff in his direction.

Jones would give Moorer the sort of affirming opponent he couldn't get at the weight.

[StarshipTrooper]

Moorer would knock Jones into the middle of hell.

And we know this because of which high-quality Light-Heavy Moorer beat? Point is, how exactly can you judge how good a fighter is when they didn't fight anyone of note? Lots of fighters look phenominal against the Sisters of the Poor then come apart when they move up in class. Moorer didn't exactly have a sturdy chin either and Jones wasn't lacking in power.

Poet

[crold1]

And we know this because of which high-quality Light-Heavy Moorer beat? Point is, how exactly can you judge how good a fighter is when they didn't fight anyone of note? Lots of fighters look phenominal against the Sisters of the Poor then come apart when they move up in class. Moorer didn't exactly have a sturdy chin either and Jones wasn't lacking in power.

Poet

Moorer's chin struggled against some big punchers at Heavyweight. Stewart, Holyfield, Tua, Cooper, Foreman...all had serious power of a sort Jones wouldn't muster. Moorer took a lot of good Heavy shots. I realize his Light Heavy dossier wasn't great but we know what kind of fighter he was in general. He's not an unknown commodity and he at least beat some solid guys at 75 (hell, Swindell and Stewart were on par with more than a few Jones challengers). I'd bet, based on having seen what it took to knock both guys out, that Moorer takes Jones shot a hell of a lot better than the opposite. Throw in a reach advantage, about four-five inches in height (Jones is really only about 5'10, Moorer 6'2 and change), and bombs in his hands, I stand by my take.

I mean the question can go back...we KNOW Moorer could punch and had a HIGH degree of skill to go with. What high quality KO artist did Jones ever beat? Who ever hit Roy with the sort of shot Moorer could to make anyone think Jones c ould take the blow?