Roy Jones on his place in history

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I felt the same,quite funny how deluded some people are too be honest

I nearly threw up when you said Mayweather is the best defensive boxer in history.

Are you serious?Are you really that naive because of all his out of the ring bull***** that you forgot how amazingly talented the man is? I don't like him any better then the next guy but to totally downgrade his skill level because of his attitude is pretty ignorant. The man hardly ever gets hit. And I said probably. The only man who probably has been hit less then Mayweather is Whitaker who is also the ****in man.

Is it really that much of a delusional of a statment?

Mayweather truley has an incredible defense. One that in my opinion at the very least compares with the best.

I mean, as of right now and for many years he has been an inactive puncher and strictly defensive fighter.

I'm not going to say he has a better defnese than the likes of Whitaker, Pep or Locche. But is it really that abserd to suggest he shares a sentance with them solely in terms of defense? Not in my book.

He is one of the least hit fighters in history IMO. Yeah that has a **** load to do with his incredibly low output (atleast recently) but because of how solely defensive he is he really doesn't get hit much, at all.

Mayweather probably gets hit less than Whitaker did, that is an insane feat. Obviously again it's due to the fact Mayweather doesn't throw many punches, but that means something.

Whitaker has a better defense IMO due to the amount of punches he throws and manages to get out the way of so many. Can you imagine if Whitaker only threw 40 punchs a round? He wouldn't get hit at all either.

But I wouldn't call someone crazy for comparing them. In terms of strictly defense.

****in thank you. I don't think the hatred for Floyd should effect how incredibly talented the man is. There is a reason people want to see him fight Pac.

[Barn]

Are you serious?Are you really that naive because of all his out of the ring bull***** that you forgot how amazingly talented the man is? I don't like him any better then the next guy but to totally downgrade his skill level because of his attitude is pretty ignorant. The man hardly ever gets hit. And I said probably. The only man who probably has been hit less then Mayweather is Whitaker who is also the ****in man.



****in thank you. I don't think the hatred for Floyd should effect how incredibly talented the man is. There is a reason people want to see him fight Pac.

Locche And Whitaker > Mayweather.

Just how I see it and I see it pretty clearly.

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I think Charles could/would beat him as well. I can name think of five fighters at most who I think would beat him from 160-175 and that's saying a lot.

Exactly. Jones was a terrific fighter and I caught heat for rating him #15 all-time p4p. I have Charles in my top-5 p4p. As terrific a fighter as Jones was, Charles is one of the absolute finest fighters I've ever seen (on film of course) and Light-Heavy was where he was at his best. I might be able to come up with more than five Light-Heavies that beat Jones but that's no easy feat and I'd have to think on that awhile. Middleweight, eh not a good comparison since Jones wasn't there very long and was very green. Once his body matured into his prime years I don't think he'd have been able to get back down to Middleweight without seriously draining himself.

Poet

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Exactly. Jones was a terrific fighter and I caught heat for rating him #15 all-time p4p. I have Charles in my top-5 p4p. As terrific a fighter as Jones was, Charles is one of the absolute finest fighters I've ever seen (on film of course) and Light-Heavy was where he was at his best. I might be able to come up with more than five Light-Heavies that beat Jones but that's no easy feat and I'd have to think on that awhile. Middleweight, eh not a good comparison since Jones wasn't there very long and was very green. Once his body matured into his prime years I don't think he'd have been able to get back down to Middleweight without seriously draining himself.

Poet

Jones is as overrated at Middleweight (sometimes) as he is underrated at Light Heavyweight (most of the time). He outgrew Middle way early and was considering moving up as early as late 92/93. The IBF came open and he stayed, defending exactly once. Jones, in 93, is not a wise pick against the greatest seasoned middles of all-time.

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Exactly. Jones was a terrific fighter and I caught heat for rating him #15 all-time p4p. I have Charles in my top-5 p4p. As terrific a fighter as Jones was, Charles is one of the absolute finest fighters I've ever seen (on film of course) and Light-Heavy was where he was at his best. I might be able to come up with more than five Light-Heavies that beat Jones but that's no easy feat and I'd have to think on that awhile. Middleweight, eh not a good comparison since Jones wasn't there very long and was very green. Once his body matured into his prime years I don't think he'd have been able to get back down to Middleweight without seriously draining himself.

Poet

Hagler definitely beats Roy at 160. Monzon too IMO. Way too much savvy for that young boy.

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The fact that we have to think hard of a list comprised of less than 10 fighters in history that definitely beat Roy... I think is awesome.

[Barn]

The fact that we have to think hard of a list comprised of less than 10 fighters in history that definitely beat Roy... I think is awesome.

Roy Jones H2H ability is amazing, his resume sadly isn't.

[THE REED]

Roy Jones H2H ability is amazing, his resume sadly isn't.

Resume amazing? Probably not AMAZING... but it's damn good.

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Hagler definitely beats Roy at 160. Monzon too IMO. Way too much savvy for that young boy.

Yeah, Jones was just too inexperienced at 160 and hadn't matured physically yet either. I think most if not all the Middleweight greats beat him at that stage of his career (not easily though), most of whom I'd favor a prime Jones over assuming had been prime at 160.

Poet

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The fact that we have to think hard of a list comprised of less than 10 fighters in history that definitely beat Roy... I think is awesome.

Jones was an awesome fighter afterall. Look, I think pretty much everyone in this thread agrees (except for the racist turd earlier) Jones was a legitimate top-tier great ie. one of the VERY best fighters in the history of the sport something only a select few can claim. The only real question here is where does he rank AMONG those select few. The only thing most of us would really dispute was that Jones was the GOAT p4p or in any given weight class. If you prefix "GOAT" with "one of the" then I think we pretty much all agree.

Poet