Teddy Atlas's 13 Greatest P4P Fighters Of All Time!

[BattlingNelson]

well a ko is when some one cant go on any more....while a tko is when some one else had deemed the person unable to go any more.

whether some one's punches are knocking people out or just knocking them down is directly related to ko's and tko's.

A TKO also happens when the referee doesn't bother to count to 10 and just wave of the fight with the stricken boxer splattered on the canvas.

This was the case for instance when Tyson beat Holmes, Foreman beating Cooney and several other fights where the losing fighter was brutally KTFO. A ten count would have been a formality. So making a judgement on punching power by making a distinction between KO's and TKO's is not possible. Wheter it's a KO or TKO is often up to the referees discretion ie. wheter he bothers to complete a 10-count or not.

[Spartacus Sully]

A TKO also happens when the referee doesn't bother to count to 10 and just wave of the fight with the stricken boxer splattered on the canvas.

This was the case for instance when Tyson beat Holmes, Foreman beating Cooney and several other fights where the losing fighter was brutally KTFO. A ten count would have been a formality. So making a judgement on punching power by making a distinction between KO's and TKO's is not possible. Wheter it's a KO or TKO is often up to the referees discretion ie. wheter he bothers to complete a 10-count or not.

i agree it does happen...quite a few times with tyson and julian jackson though with foreman and what ive seen of his fights it dosnt make it seem like it happened that often for him....though as ive said ive only seen about 10 of his fights

[BattlingNelson]

i agree it does happen...quite a few times with tyson and julian jackson though with foreman and what ive seen of his fights it dosnt make it seem like it happened that often for him....though as ive said ive only seen about 10 of his fights

It happens all the time.

Honestly you claiming that Foreman didnt have punching power is an insult to all the great fighters he stopped in a couple of rounds. Surely these well-trained athletes would not just fall over from pitty-pats. You dont have a case IMO. Sorry.

[Spartacus Sully]

It happens all the time.

Honestly you claiming that Foreman didnt have punching power is an insult to all the great fighters he stopped in a couple of rounds. Surely these well-trained athletes would not just fall over from pitty-pats. You dont have a case IMO. Sorry.

not really, i mean if i claim he didnt have punching power but he actually koed people like fraizer then yes it might be an insult......but he didnt ko fraizer or chuvalo or norton...he won with a technical ko with them all still standing when the fight was over he was a strong guy that had a hard push and surely a hard enough push could make any well trained athlete fall over....well not chuvalo.....he had a good punch back then....chuvalo's just a beast.

[BattlingNelson]

not really, i mean if i claim he didnt have punching power but he actually koed people like fraizer then yes it might be an insult......but he didnt ko fraizer or chuvalo or norton...he won with a technical ko with them all still standing when the fight was over he was a strong guy that had a hard push and surely a hard enough push could make any well trained athlete fall over....well not chuvalo.....he had a good punch back then....chuvalo's just a beast.

I'll go as long as saying that Foreman's punching technique isnt textbook, but he nevertheless generated power enough to put great fighters in no state to continue after only a few minutes of fighting. Basically that is all the evidence you need.

Besides maybe you should check out Foreman-Moorer as well. One-punch KO power.

[Spartacus Sully]

I'll go as long as saying that Foreman's punching technique isnt textbook, but he nevertheless generated power enough to put great fighters in no state to continue after only a few minutes of fighting. Basically that is all the evidence you need.

Besides maybe you should check out Foreman-Moorer as well. One-punch KO power.

thats one of the 10 ive seen, but not recently so i dont really remember how things went down.

can you see the diffrence in foremans fighting style against fraizer and against chuvalo?

and would you say his fighting style resembled that of his fighting style against fraizer? or chuvalo?

as i said earlier, he did have skill at one point in time and the moore fight is the only older fight ive seen so he might of had to use skill instead of just brute strength as he got older.

i can answer this myself but it would have to wait a couple hours till i get home and can watch the fight.

[BattlingNelson]

thats one of the 10 ive seen, but not recently so i dont really remember how things went down.

can you see the diffrence in foremans fighting style against fraizer and against chuvalo?

and would you say his fighting style resembled that of his fighting style against fraizer? or chuvalo?

as i said earlier, he did have skill at one point in time and the moore fight is the only older fight ive seen so he might of had to use skill instead of just brute strength as he got older.

i can answer this myself but it would have to wait a couple hours till i get home and can watch the fight.

Does it matter? You are arguing that Foreman didnt have punching power. I (and most others) think that is absurd.


BTW above you are saying that Norton, Frazier etc. was standing when the fight was over. Does that mean that you think those fights was stopped too early?

[Spartacus Sully]

Does it matter? You are arguing that Foreman didnt have punching power. I (and most others) think that is absurd.


BTW above you are saying that Norton, Frazier etc. was standing when the fight was over. Does that mean that you think those fights was stopped too early?

im agueing that after he fought chuvalo he was a **** puncher, and he was not one of the hardest hitting heavys he would fall some where outside of the top 10.

no the fights were stoped when they were stoped because thats the rules if you want to be a pro boxer by smother people into a tko the rules alow that...just as the lrr allowed a boxer to keep falling down so he could rest.....but it dosnt make him a good puncher.

[BattlingNelson]

im agueing that after he fought chuvalo he was a **** puncher, and he was not one of the hardest hitting heavys he would fall some where outside of the top 10.

no the fights were stoped when they were stoped because thats the rules if you want to be a pro boxer by smother people into a tko the rules alow that...just as the lrr allowed a boxer to keep falling down so he could rest.....but it dosnt make him a good puncher.

Foreman was one of the hardest hitting HW's ever. How else would great fighters be put into a state where they are unable to continue in a couple of minutes? Surely this indicates heavy punching dont you think? Or are you claiming that the fights shouldnt have been stopped?

[Spartacus Sully]

Foreman was one of the hardest hitting HW's ever. How else would great fighters be put into a state where they are unable to continue in a couple of minutes? Surely this indicates heavy punching dont you think? Or are you claiming that the fights shouldnt have been stopped?

if your bobbing into the punches then its the combined force of you and the punches....not just heavy punches.

the norton fight should of been stopped, if i remember correctly he did get a 10 count or something...im not sure why its marked as a tko.....but also if i remember correctly he was standing with a wtf look when the fight was called.

ill have to rewatch that one.

i think fraizer could of kept going in either of his fights, im pretty sure atleast 2 of his kds were simply because he was hit with the bob set off balance and fell down.