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[BattlingNelson]

Yeah, he was in such a coma that within a few seconds of hitting the canvas he was telling Giachetti "Richie get me off the Goddamned floor" since he had a mob of people around him keeping him down :rolleyes9:

Poet

Do you have a credible source?

Anyway here's the vid (from 6.05) that IMO clearly shows the spreadeagled concussed Holmes KTFO:

[Steak]

Im thinking the real reason that Foreman didnt KO Ali is because he didnt get the opportunity to land anything real powerful clean to Ali's head. Foreman certainly had the power to KO Ali, its just that Ali was too clever defensively and fought smart against him.

Duran still had a very good chin at 154lbs and above, he took Hagler, Barkley and Moore's shots flush and wasnt too shaken. especially that one left hook Barkley nailed him with in the 8th(?) round, oof. although Ive heard stories about him having to straight up give blood to make weight against Hearns, if that actually happened I can see it weakening his punch resistance.

[joseph5620]

Im thinking the real reason that Foreman didnt KO Ali is because he didnt get the opportunity to land anything real powerful clean to Ali's head. Foreman certainly had the power to KO Ali, its just that Ali was too clever defensively and fought smart against him.

Duran still had a very good chin at 154lbs and above, he took Hagler, Barkley and Moore's shots flush and wasnt too shaken. especially that one left hook Barkley nailed him with in the 8th(?) round, oof. although Ive heard stories about him having to straight up give blood to make weight against Hearns, if that actually happened I can see it weakening his punch resistance.

Duran would have been KO'd by Hearns regardless. I'm not buying that far-fetched excuse.

[Scott9945]

Duran would have been KO'd by Hearns regardless. I'm not buying that far-fetched excuse.

As one sided as that fight was, you're probably right. But it was pretty well known then that Duran was in piss poor condition for that match. That's why I always consider the Cuevas fight Hearns' best win. Duran was one of the all time greats, but fans seem to overlook his inconsistent work ethic after the Leonard win. More than once he just showed up for the check.

[Spartacus Sully]

Do you have a credible source?

Bad intentions the mike tyson story by peter heller, i dont know what page will show up when you click the link but its in the last paragraph of page 193

http://books.google.com/books?id=zQe...page&q&f=false

[StarshipTrooper]

Bad intentions the mike tyson story by peter heller, i dont know what page will show up when you click the link but its in the last paragraph of page 193

http://books.google.com/books?id=zQe...page&q&f=false

Thank you! Saved me the trouble of digging my back issues of Ring Magazine out of storage to look for the reference. They quote the book in an article from the early '90s.

Poet

[Spartacus Sully]

Thank you! Saved me the trouble of digging my back issues of Ring Magazine out of storage to look for the reference. They quote the book in an article from the early '90s.

Poet

np, i just googled the quote took me like 10 seconds to find it.

[StarshipTrooper]

np, i just googled the quote took me like 10 seconds to find it.

It's funny, even surrounded by all this technology I don't always think to Google.....I'm still an old-fashioned hard-copy researcher at heart :hah9:

Poet

[BattlingNelson]

Bad intentions the mike tyson story by peter heller, i dont know what page will show up when you click the link but its in the last paragraph of page 193

http://books.google.com/books?id=zQe...page&q&f=false

Thanks. Peter Heller is a great boxing writer.

Yeah, he was in such a coma that within a few seconds of hitting the canvas he was telling Giachetti "Richie get me off the Goddamned floor" since he had a mob of people around him keeping him down :rolleyes9:

Poet

From Heller's book it appears as if Holmes did say so, but from the vid it is also clear that it was not inside 10 seconds that Holmes could have said so. He was KTFO. I can only buy your assessment of 'within a few seconds' if that translates into more than a ten-count.


Bat.

[BattlingNelson]

A little bonus info on Tyson-Holmes is that Tyson's pose after finishing Holmes is a tribute to Battling Nelson.

Tyson. Ever the historian.