Rating Frazier

[sonnyboyx2]

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Lewis and tyson both beat Bruno. Something Cummings couldn't do. In fact Cummings never beat anybody other than part time sparring partners. That's just another example of your ****** logic.

whats that got to do with them not being able to wobble Bruno like what Cummings did or are you going to try to claim they did... Cummings fought a draw with Joe Frazier which i would claim is far better than any part time sparring partner...

[joseph5620]

whats that got to do with them not being able to wobble Bruno like what Cummings did or are you going to try to claim they did... Cummings fought a draw with Joe Frazier which i would claim is far better than any part time sparring partner...:owned:

Yeah Cummings got a draw against a fat, shot, 37 year old Frazier trying to come back from a 5 year lay off. That says a lot about how bad Cummings really was. When you use that as a positive example it further demonstrates why you're nothing more than a court jester of this section. That's fine as long as you understand you're not credible.

Lewis and Tyson stopped Bruno. Bruno stopped Cummings. Those are facts that can't be changed.

[sonnyboyx2]

Yeah Cummings got a draw against a fat, shot, 37 year old Frazier trying to come back from a 5 year lay off. That says a lot about how bad Cummings really was. When you use that as a positive example it further demonstrates why you're nothing more than a court jester of this section. That's fine as long as you understand you're not credible.

Lewis and Tyson stopped Bruno. Bruno stopped Cummings. Those are facts that can't be changed.

Frazier was in better condition that 38yr old Mike Tyson was when he fought Lewis and Frazier put up a far far better showing than the 40 seconds Tyson put up when he fought Lewis

[JAB5239]

Frazier was in better condition that 38yr old Mike Tyson was when he fought Lewis and Frazier put up a far far better showing than the 40 seconds Tyson put up when he fought Lewis

A better effort against Cummings than Tyson against Lewis. Lol, its not even comparable.

[Joeyzagz]

Frazier was in better condition that 38yr old Mike Tyson was when he fought Lewis and Frazier put up a far far better showing than the 40 seconds Tyson put up when he fought Lewis

Lennox never fought anyone older than 37. Just remember that number next time you exaggerate one of his opponents ages.

Tyson was 35 btw.

[CarlosG815]

Frazier hadn't had a fight in 5 years. And his previous fight was a brutal KO loss. Not even comparable to the Tyson who fought Lewis. And Tyson wasn't 38, he was 35. Just another example of how you lie and play fast and loose with facts.. Next time you ask someone to point out your lies look no furtrher than this.

Mike Tyson was doped up on anti depressants, fighting obesity, and a mental wreck, and was also abusing hardcore narcotics. Without question the Tyson who fought Lewis was far worse than the Frazier who Cummings.

Joseph what you are saying is simply not true.

[joseph5620]

Frazier was in better condition that 38yr old Mike Tyson was when he fought Lewis and Frazier put up a far far better showing than the 40 seconds Tyson put up when he fought Lewis

Frazier hadn't had a fight in 5 years. And his previous fight was a brutal KO loss. And he was fat against Cummings. Not even comparable to the Tyson who fought Lewis. And Tyson wasn't 38, he was 35. Just another example of how you lie and play fast and loose with facts.. Next time you ask someone to point out your lies look no further than this.

[joseph5620]

Mike Tyson was doped up on anti depressants, fighting obesity, and a mental wreck, and was also abusing hardcore narcotics. Without question the Tyson who fought Lewis was far worse than the Frazier who Cummings.

Joseph what you are saying is simply not true.

If what you are saying (and I think it's highly exaggerated) is true, it certainly wasn't talked about or evident after Tyson wiped out Golota and Saverese. A lot of people were picking him to beat Lewis. I'll accept Tyson was past his prime but the other excuses mean nothing (obesity,mental wreck) to me.




The fact remains that Frazier was shot five years before he fought Cummings and had not won a fight in 6 years going into that fight. A shot fighter coming off 5 years of inactivity at 37 years of age. Only a hard core Tyson fan or hard core Lewis hater would argue that Tyson was much worse than that version of Frazier. It's a silly argument to be honest.

[Scott9945]

Mike Tyson was doped up on anti depressants, fighting obesity, and a mental wreck, and was also abusing hardcore narcotics. Without question the Tyson who fought Lewis was far worse than the Frazier who Cummings.

Joseph what you are saying is simply not true.

Sorry, but a 37 y/o Frazier coming off a 5 1/2 year layoff wasn't even a shell of the Tyson who fought Lewis. If that Tyson had fought Jumbo Cummings it would have been a relatively easy win for him.

[CarlosG815]

Show us your list, challenge mine, and I'll be more than happy to debate you on it.

I usually don't make lists, but I took a little time to put this together. Longevity isn't something that I give too much weight in making a list as I feel that there are many contributing factors that can effect longevity and that shouldn't effect what a fighter does during the time he is at his absolute best.

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Jack Dempsey
4. Rocky Marciano
5. Joe Frazier
6. Mike Tyson
7. George Foreman
8. Sonny Liston
9. Larry Holmes
10. Jack Johnson