In 1993, was there a bigger fight than Lewis vs Bowe?

[sonnyboyx2]

Sonny, you've been completely and utterly massacred in this thread. Just give it up already. Nobody agrees with you and you're acting a little schitzo by assuming you have all the facts and nobody else has a clue.

1/. Scott claimed HBO aproved Lewis v Botha

2/. you made a claim that Bowe is a liar and Biased.. yet you have no evidence to make such statements about the guy.. so i ask for other examples of Bowe lying or being biased and you cannot show it but come out with a quote of "it really doesn't take a lot of common sense." which is simply not good enough... show how you come to the conclusion that Rid**** Bowe is a liar and biased?

3/. ****peadia link?.... here is a link which contadicts and i can add another 5 or 6 more
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/199...ewman-dan-duva

4/. You claim everyone of the governing bodies are corrupt and a joke of which i agree.. so with Bowe being the man who beat the man it is meaningless when he dumps a belt in the trash can, Bowe dumped the WBO belt as did Larry Holmes who also dumped the WBC belt... so who in your opinion should govern world title fights? which ratings should boxing fans abide by?

5/. Bowe gave up the WBC belt you claim he is ducking Lewis by those actions?.... yet Lewis is not ducking Ruiz & Byrd by giving up the WBA & IBF belts is that what you are saying?.... what is good for the goose is good for the gander...

6/. Scott said, "Nobody cares about steroids, and especially if Botha used them"..... That in my opinion is condoning the use of them, to claim nobody cares is also incorrect as all boxing fans are eager to see the richest fight in boxing history take place between Pacquiao & Mayweather yet drug testing is the stumbling block to it getting made... so to claim nobody cares is wrong.

13/. No... i asked for a link to show HBO wanted Lewis v Botha and not Lewis v Ruiz.

"Sonny, you've been completely and utterly massacred in this thread. Just give it up already. Nobody agrees with you and you're acting a little schitzo by assuming you have all the facts and nobody else has a clue.... Who you and Scott?

[Scott9945]

i will try to address your pitiful answers to my questions as i notice once again not a single link or piece of evidence from you to be seen, but here goes.

1/.Show me evidence that HBO shouted for Lewis v Botha
2/. Show me another example of Rid**** Bowe being biased
3/. 75/25 is what Bowe received from Holyfield & Holyfield accepted in their rematch, What did Lewis pay Tucker, Bruno, McCall, Tua, Akinwande etc... Bowe was the man who beat the man The undisputed Champion, Lewis was nothing but a paper champion.
4/. The WBA is the Founder governing body in professional boxing and can be traced back to 1921 with the first bout recognized by them being Dempsey v Carpentier...To claim they are unworthy is laughable.
5/. Jackson & Butler are not too long ago, they was opponents at world level of Lewis, Akinwande had a record far worse than John Ruiz and his WBO strap was the belt Rid**** Bowe gave-up as not being worthy to own.
6/. To claim steroids are acceptable in the sport shows your mentality.
7,8,9,10,11 &12 unanswered by you.
13/. Show link to prove there was not interest
14/. So you are also saying Chris Byrd was rightly denied a world title fight because the fight would lose money, yet he has fought in 7 world title fights since?... how many world title fights with the exception of Tyson & Holyfield have the opponents of Lewis fought in compared to John Ruiz & Chris Byrd... which gives a true indicated of their abilities.

Your first two responses show why others give up debating you. You want evidence that HBO wanted the Lewis-Botha fight? They showed it on their ****ing network! The same HBO that just dismissed a number of opponents for Sergio Martinez as unacceptable. So it obvious that they approved Botha. And you question why Rid**** Bowe would be biased about his own career? Really?

So you can call my responses "pitiful". I have no more time to waste with irrational people.

[Scott9945]

1/. Scott claimed HBO aproved Lewis v Botha

2/. you made a claim that Bowe is a liar and Biased.. yet you have no evidence to make such statements about the guy.. so i ask for other examples of Bowe lying or being biased and you cannot show it but come out with a quote of "it really doesn't take a lot of common sense." which is simply not good enough... show how you come to the conclusion that Rid**** Bowe is a liar and biased?

3/. ****peadia link?.... here is a link which contadicts and i can add another 5 or 6 more
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/199...ewman-dan-duva

4/. You claim everyone of the governing bodies are corrupt and a joke of which i agree.. so with Bowe being the man who beat the man it is meaningless when he dumps a belt in the trash can, Bowe dumped the WBO belt as did Larry Holmes who also dumped the WBC belt... so who in your opinion should govern world title fights? which ratings should boxing fans abide by?

5/. Bowe gave up the WBC belt you claim he is ducking Lewis by those actions?.... yet Lewis is not ducking Ruiz & Byrd by giving up the WBA & IBF belts is that what you are saying?.... what is good for the goose is good for the gander...

6/. Scott said, "Nobody cares about steroids, and especially if Botha used them"..... That in my opinion is condoning the use of them, to claim nobody cares is also incorrect as all boxing fans are eager to see the richest fight in boxing history take place between Pacquiao & Mayweather yet drug testing is the stumbling block to it getting made... so to claim nobody cares is wrong.

13/. No... i asked for a link to show HBO wanted Lewis v Botha and not Lewis v Ruiz.

"Sonny, you've been completely and utterly massacred in this thread. Just give it up already. Nobody agrees with you and you're acting a little schitzo by assuming you have all the facts and nobody else has a clue.... Who you and Scott?

Seen the poll results at the top of this page?

[sonnyboyx2]

Your first two responses show why others give up debating you. You want evidence that HBO wanted the Lewis-Botha fight? They showed it on their ****ing network! The same HBO that just dismissed a number of opponents for Sergio Martinez as unacceptable. So it obvious that they approved Botha. And you question why Rid**** Bowe would be biased about his own career? Really?

So you can call my responses "pitiful". I have no more time to waste with irrational people.

HBO also wanted this fight and they made their offers..so what do you say about this:

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...f_a_sales.html

that equates to me as an 80/20 split yet Bowe offered 75/25 which is better yet you claim the guy to be biased..

[Toney616]

HBO also wanted this fight and they made their offers..so what do you say about this:

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...f_a_sales.html

that equates to me as an 80/20 split yet Bowe offered 75/25 which is better yet you claim the guy to be biased..

Meanwhile, he waits and fights Shannon Briggs here Saturday while the big events evaporate. In 1992, HBO offered Rid**** Bowe $15 million and Lewis $3 million, and still the rematch of the 1988 Olympic final could not be made.

Damn. I didnt know HBO were willing to pay that much for it

[JAB5239]

1/. Scott claimed HBO aproved Lewis v Botha

Well they fought on HBO, didn't they?

2/. you made a claim that Bowe is a liar and Biased.. yet you have no evidence to make such statements about the guy.. so i ask for other examples of Bowe lying or being biased and you cannot show it but come out with a quote of "it really doesn't take a lot of common sense." which is simply not good enough... show how you come to the conclusion that Rid**** Bowe is a liar and biased?

The only one lying here is you. Please direct me to the post where I called Bowe a liar.

3/. ****peadia link?.... here is a link which contadicts and i can add another 5 or 6 more
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/199...ewman-dan-duva

So know a well respected institution like Wikipedia is lying? Can you provide a link to prove they're lying?

4/. You claim everyone of the governing bodies are corrupt and a joke of which i agree.. so with Bowe being the man who beat the man it is meaningless when he dumps a belt in the trash can, Bowe dumped the WBO belt as did Larry Holmes who also dumped the WBC belt... so who in your opinion should govern world title fights? which ratings should boxing fans abide by?

The ring would be a better place but common sense should over rule all. It doesn't take a link or a genius to remember Ruiz wasn't well regarded and had fought crap opponents to earn his position.

5/. Bowe gave up the WBC belt you claim he is ducking Lewis by those actions?.... yet Lewis is not ducking Ruiz & Byrd by giving up the WBA & IBF belts is that what you are saying?.... what is good for the goose is good for the gander...

Difference is nobody was calling for Ruiz to get a fight while everybody wanted Bowe-Lewis.

6/. Scott said, "Nobody cares about steroids, and especially if Botha used them"..... That in my opinion is condoning the use of them, to claim nobody cares is also incorrect as all boxing fans are eager to see the richest fight in boxing history take place between Pacquiao & Mayweather yet drug testing is the stumbling block to it getting made... so to claim nobody cares is wrong.

A smoke screen to avoid the fight. Outside of that, how often is OST even talked about? the subject wasn't even broached when a former user (Jones) and a guy in his mid 40's and still fighting at an elite level (Hopkins) fought. I could go on and on about this.

"Sonny, you've been completely and utterly massacred in this thread. Just give it up already. Nobody agrees with you and you're acting a little schitzo by assuming you have all the facts and nobody else has a clue.... Who you and Scott?

And everybody else besides Carlos who has posed in here. See the poll for proof. See your unwillingness to gamble as proof you KNOW it too.

[JAB5239]

HBO also wanted this fight and they made their offers..so what do you say about this:

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...f_a_sales.html

that equates to me as an 80/20 split yet Bowe offered 75/25 which is better yet you claim the guy to be biased..

This was damage control after Bowe dumped the belt and than offered 90/10. AFTER they had agreed to fight between the winners of the 4 man tournament of Ruddock-Lewis, Bowe-Holyfield.

[sonnyboyx2]

That offer from HBO of $3 million is proof Lewis was thought of as a nobody in the USA.. Lewis turned it down and got the binned belt off the WBC and defended his title against Tony Tucker for $4 million, Rid**** Bowe the real champion went on to his return fight against Holyfield and a purse of over $30 million.. Lewis knew that if he had the WBC title he could get a 50/50 split with Bowe and to get that WBC title all he had to do was drag his feet and turn down any offer Bowe or HBO made

[betmen]

Lets end this nonsense once and for all. In 1992 Mike Tyson was in jail and Rid**** Bowe beat Evander Holyfield to become the undisputed heavyweight champion. A month later the two top heavyweights in the WBC squared off with Lennox Lewis stopping Donovan Razor Ruddock in 2.

Four years earlier Lewis and Bowe had faced off in the Olympic finals wit Lennox taking home the gold. Since that time and during both their rises to the top their future rematch had been talked about and anticipated in boxing circles and the press.

My question is....was there a bigger or better fight that COULD have happened in the heavyweight division in 1993? Unified champ vs number 1 contender. Rematch of Olympic finalists. The two universally recognized best of the big men.

So, in the opinion of the posters here, could a better heavyweight fight have been made in 1993?

NO WAY!!!!
two undefeated HW champion in their prime, two nationality,two bigman with history behind them. it will be away bigger than chavez-taylor

[MARKBNLV]

I always liked Bowe but he ducked Lennox like a b#itch,throwing that title belt in the garbage was one of the biggest ***** moves ever.