In 1993, was there a bigger fight than Lewis vs Bowe?

[sonnyboyx2]

Do we have a bet or not? Boxingscene and ESB seem to have the most traffic so it makes the most sense to put the poll on those two sites. Tome to put up or shut up, because the overwhelming majority disagree ith you as is evident by the poll.

no we dont have a bet because the vast majority of ESB was no born in 1993 also it is a UK based site which is biased towards LL... you are looking for back-up to improve your argument but why not just fight your own corner instead of trying to get a gang to help you.. answer the questions i put to you like i answered your queries ..

You are not going to alter my opinion of events and i am not trying to alter your opinion of how you seen events but i am always willing to dispute events and use links and newspaper articles as pieces of evidence to back up my side of the story which you and others have never ever been able to do, so it looks as if i am the one in the driving seat and you are trying to get a gang onto me.. i always answer any queries put to me and never do i look for others to back me up simply because i believe my views are correct, yet if evidence is put before me which contradicts my views and shows me to be wrong then i would accept it and hold my hands up, but a pole on some biased UK site which is saturated with 18-20yr olds who was not born at the time of our disagreement is not something which i would be able to accept as evidence of proving my view as incorrect.

[JAB5239]

no we dont have a bet because the vast majority of ESB was no born in 1993 also it is a UK based site which is biased towards LL... you are looking for back-up to improve your argument but why not just fight your own corner instead of trying to get a gang to help you.. answer the questions i put to you like i answered your queries ..

You are not going to alter my opinion of events and i am not trying to alter your opinion of how you seen events but i am always willing to dispute events and use links and newspaper articles as pieces of evidence to back up my side of the story which you and others have never ever been able to do, so it looks as if i am the one in the driving seat and you are trying to get a gang onto me.. i always answer any queries put to me and never do i look for others to back me up simply because i believe my views are correct, yet if evidence is put before me which contradicts my views and shows me to be wrong then i would accept it and hold my hands up, but a pole on some biased UK site which is saturated with 18-20yr olds who was not born at the time of our disagreement is not something which i would be able to accept as evidence of proving my view as incorrect.

I've been answering your questions while you've ducked mine this entire thread. As has been pointed out by more than one poster here, you like to play fast and loose with the facts. You don't know the average age in ESB classic section so that is just a cop out on your part. You keep trying to say what the public did and didn't want. A simple way to find out is a poll. I know Im going to win because I remember the atmosphere and thinking both in 1993 and 2002 very well. If you were as confident you'd make that bet. Hell, I'll even give you 2 to 1 odds. I'll go even further...I'll give you all my points to hold right now till we end the poll. Man up and let the public cast their vote!

[sonnyboyx2]

I've been answering your questions while you've ducked mine this entire thread. As has been pointed out by more than one poster here, you like to play fast and loose with the facts. You don't know the average age in ESB classic section so that is just a cop out on your part. You keep trying to say what the public did and didn't want. A simple way to find out is a poll. I know Im going to win because I remember the atmosphere and thinking both in 1993 and 2002 very well. If you were as confident you'd make that bet. Hell, I'll even give you 2 to 1 odds. I'll go even further...I'll give you all my points to hold right now till we end the poll. Man up and let the public cast their vote!

1/. Show me where i claim the public did and didn't want
2/. answer my 15 points on my previous post because if you don't your claim of me "ducking" is simply not true.
3/. Boxing Standard as a pole and you have a deal and i will give you 3 to 1

[JAB5239]

1/. Show me where i claim the public did and didn't want
2/. answer my 15 points on my previous post because if you don't your claim of me "ducking" is simply not true.
3/. Boxing Standard as a pole and you have a deal and i will give you 3 to 1

I check out boxing standard and it has no traffic. We use the two busiest sites so we can get the widest range of public opinion.

I've answered your questions time and again while you've continued to pick and choose which of mine to answer while ignoring most.

Are you saying you didn't say this, "Lewis was unheard of in the USA and after his terrible showing against Tony Tucker (shot) then his "Lucky-Punch" victory against Bruno after being schooled by Bruno for 6rds, it was thought Lewis never had a hope against Bowe..."? Are you telling me you aren't speaking about public opinion here? :lol1:

[sonnyboyx2]

I check out boxing standard and it has no traffic. We use the two busiest sites so we can get the widest range of public opinion.

I've answered your questions time and again while you've continued to pick and choose which of mine to answer while ignoring most.

Are you saying you didn't say this, "Lewis was unheard of in the USA and after his terrible showing against Tony Tucker (shot) then his "Lucky-Punch" victory against Bruno after being schooled by Bruno for 6rds, it was thought Lewis never had a hope against Bowe..."? Are you telling me you aren't speaking about public opinion here? :lol1:

yes i said that line and i stand by it.. why should i not?

put up your questions to me which you feel i have "Picked & choosed or ignored" and i will adress each and every one of them and you do the same to mine... deal or no deal?

[JAB5239]

yes i said that line and i stand by it.. why should i not?

So you ARE saying what the public did or did not want, right?

put up your questions to me which you feel i have "Picked & choosed or ignored" and i will adress each and every one of them and you do the same to mine... deal or no deal?

This thread is going in circle and I shouldn't have to go back and find questions you ducked the first time around. Make the bet and lets see who really had their finger on the pulse of what the public wanted. Hell you could get 25.1% of the poll and grab nearly 2 billion e-points if you were really as confident as you claim.

[sonnyboyx2]

I check out boxing standard and it has no traffic. We use the two busiest sites so we can get the widest range of public opinion.

I've answered your questions time and again while you've continued to pick and choose which of mine to answer while ignoring most.

Are you saying you didn't say this, "Lewis was unheard of in the USA and after his terrible showing against Tony Tucker (shot) then his "Lucky-Punch" victory against Bruno after being schooled by Bruno for 6rds, it was thought Lewis never had a hope against Bowe..."? Are you telling me you aren't speaking about public opinion here? :lol1:

This pole which you are trying to rope me into is meaningless, what is it you are trying to prove?
are you trying to prove that John Ruiz was not worthy of a world title fight?
because since Lewis refused to fight him and was stripped of the WBA belt Ruiz has taken part in no fewer than 12 World Title fights... yet you are trying to say he should never have been involved in those fights and his record is unworthy of him receiving those fights.... What should John Ruiz have done in your opinion?... maybe he should have just hung his gloves up and called it a day in the sport and went and signed on the unemployment register because JAB and the majority on his pole dont like the guy or his style of boxing, is that what you are trying to imply?

[sonnyboyx2]

This thread is going in circle and I shouldn't have to go back and find questions you ducked the first time around. Make the bet and lets see who really had their finger on the pulse of what the public wanted. Hell you could get 25.1% of the poll and grab nearly 2 billion e-points if you were really as confident as you claim.

JAB... you are avoiding my queries mate, you have made accusations against me here and now when i call you to answer for them you are running scared.. i have told you i am not interested in your little gang-warfare theory on some British based biased website... so answer my queries or forever hold your tongue mate... don't try to wriggle out of it, i have you beaten and you know it just like i have won every single discussion on this forum which has ever been posted on the subject of LL avoiding the No1 contenders.... you know i will tie-you-in-knots if you answer my queries, so you have reverted to childish playground antics of trying to get a gang onto me, the difference between me and you is that "i don't need no numbers around me, i am a one man gang"

[JAB5239]

This pole which you are trying to rope me into is meaningless, what is it you are trying to prove?
are you trying to prove that John Ruiz was not worthy of a world title fight?
because since Lewis refused to fight him and was stripped of the WBA belt Ruiz has taken part in no fewer than 12 World Title fights... yet you are trying to say he should never have been involved in those fights and his record is unworthy of him receiving those fights.... What should John Ruiz have done in your opinion?... maybe he should have just hung his gloves up and called it a day in the sport and went and signed on the unemployment register because JAB and the majority on his pole dont like the guy or his style of boxing, is that what you are trying to imply?

Actually I always liked Ruiz's determination and grit despite his lack of talent. I also couldn't stand Lewis because he came off as smug in my opinion, so you've been wrong on both counts.

What I am trying to prove....what a poll would prove is what the public's opinion was. I already know, which is why Im confident in making the bet.

[sonnyboyx2]

Actually I always liked Ruiz's determination and grit despite his lack of talent. I also couldn't stand Lewis because he came off as smug in my opinion, so you've been wrong on both counts.

What I am trying to prove....what a poll would prove is what the public's opinion was. I already know, which is why Im confident in making the bet.

yes you are correct in the public opinion of John Ruiz i accept that... but does that mean that when he fought his way to be No1 contender and is on the threshold of the largest payday in his life he has to be snubbed and refused that opportunity through public opinion