H2H who was the greatest Super-Middleweight ever

[BennyST]

Participation has declined because you can't pay someone 10 bucks to fight, hense there are less fights in general. If anything boxing may have been diluted because of all the fighters.

You should probably try learning something about common sense before opening your mouth...or typing as it were.

Boxing may have been diluted because there were ten times the amount of fighters all trying to get at one champion instead of less than a quarter of the fighters trying to get at five or so different 'champions' and very few having to fight each other? Yeah, of course it was diluted.

Oh, and in terms of what people get paid, it hasn't actually changed very much. Taking in the amount for inflation, the majority of pros (whom you don't even see of course because we only see those at world level most of the time) still get **** all for their fights. Most pros today still have to work apart from boxing. Where you got the idea they don't is beyond me, because it's not very many pros who are only doing boxing and not working a day job.

The biggest names, both nationally and internationally, were getting serious $ and attracting tens of thousands of people every fight. You know how big the Pac/Clottey and Pac/Margrito fight was in terms of live attendance? Everyone was blown away by them getting 35,000 people there. Stunned! That was a normal crowd to most title fights for national and international fighters here. Before you say, "Now there is PPV and that's where all the people are watching" these fights were also on free national TV and were watched by millions across the country also.

Boxing has become diluted today because there are five or more different ranking organisations, ten million titles to a division, five or six or whatever different champions in each division, nearly double the amount of divisions and there is 1/10th the amount of fighters overall spread across all those different divisions, and ranking/title organisations. How you think it's the opposite is beyond me?

Simple way to think of it; If you have one tower with a flag at the top and 200 people all trying to climb that one tower, throwing each other off to do it, it's going to be a hell of a lot harder than if you have four or five towers with only 100 people between them all together. Instead of having 200 people to climb over and throw off for one flag, you only have 20 people to climb over and you can choose the tower that looks as though it has to easiest people to throw off. That's the difference in boxing today compared to earlier.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Oh, and in terms of what people get paid, it hasn't actually changed very much. Taking in the amount for inflation, the majority of pros (whom you don't even see of course because we only see those at world level most of the time) still get **** all for their fights. Most pros today still have to work apart from boxing. Where you got the idea they don't is beyond me, because it's not very many pros who are only doing boxing and not working a day job.

You are wrong, below average fighters Otis Griffin and Monte Barrett are full time boxers, while even really good top 10 in there division fighters like Carl Froch and Michael Katsidis would have needed a day job back then

[JAB5239]

You are wrong, below average fighters Otis Griffin and Monte Barrett are full time boxers, while even really good top 10 in there division fighters like Carl Froch and Michael Katsidis would have needed a day job back then

This makes not a bit of sense my man. You claim fighters were not full time back than yet they fought more often, and in most cases had more overall fights. Just because a fighter has another job does not mean they didn't train just as hard.

[JAB5239]

The competition is so far and away better now, seeing as how you aren't fighting weekend warriors.

Boxing was not even a full time job for 95% of fighters until the mid 60s when the sport blew up with Ali and Don King. My uncle who fought in the 50s and 60s said that if you weren't Marciano, Louis or the like you were a what is known as a weekend warrior(had a day job and fit boxing around it)

Just out of curiosity, who was your uncle?

[SCtrojansbaby]

This makes not a bit of sense my man. You claim fighters were not full time back than yet they fought more often, and in most cases had more overall fights. Just because a fighter has another job does not mean they didn't train just as hard.

hard is the wrong word but you can train much more efficiently and more effectively just like anything else if you do it full time.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Just out of curiosity, who was your uncle?

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...6338&cat=boxer

Technically I guess you would call him my "granduncle" if thats a word

[JAB5239]

hard is the wrong word but you can train more efficiently and more effectively just like anything else if you do it full time.

But you can only train so many hours a day before your body starts breaking down. We're all familiar with the term "over trained" and this is exactly what it pertains to. Fighters don't train 8 hours a day. Most run in the mornings and workout for a few hours late in the afternoon. Having a job simply does not interfere with this.

[JAB5239]

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...6338&cat=boxer

Technically I guess you would call him my "granduncle" if thats a word

He fought some good fighters.

[SCtrojansbaby]

But you can only train so many hours a day before your body starts breaking down. We're all familiar with the term "over trained" and this is exactly what it pertains to. Fighters don't train 8 hours a day. Most run in the mornings and workout for a few hours late in the afternoon. Having a job simply does not interfere with this.

It definitely does interfere with boxing if you are some taxi driver or construction worker. Combat sports more then just about any other require you to take care of yourself 24/7

[JAB5239]

It definitely does interfere with boxing if you are some taxi driver or construction worker. Combat sports more then just about any other require you to take care of yourself 24/7

.....How so?