What Is The Biggest Duck Of All Time?

[joseph5620]

Rid**** BowePrime Tyson
Prime Holyfield

I can't think of any top contenders he faced who weren't shot. Vitali is the only one, but he to me was never a threat to Lennox, as he isn't as good as the heavies listed above.

You've got to be kidding there. And I don't care about Rock Newman's version of the story. I don't expect him to say anything different. Bowe clearly ducked Lewis as his mandatory. That's a fact that can't be denied or rewritten. And when exactly did Lewis duck prime Tyson or Holyfield? I don't recall either one looking for a fight with Lewis that he avoided. And when Tyson was in his prime, Lewis was still a prospect. Their careers are not parallel when you're talking about the prime Tyson. A close to prime Tyson avoided Lewis to fight Holyfield. Don King paid Lewis 3-4 million to step aside after Lewis became Tyson's mandatory following his win over Ray Mercer. And Lewis was not prime himself in that Tyson fight.

[Canelo Phresh]

If SRL defeated Duran in their 1st fight im sure hes not gonna fight him for the 2nd time...ur just overhyping his achievements

wow. just wow

[joseph5620]

There is so much more involved than the fans opinion who who should have fought who, and when. Back on the old AOL boards I hated Lewis but have since changed my opinion. He was a great champion and a smart businessman. Look hard enough and every fighter ever can be criticized.

LOL! I remember we had some arguments about that Jab.. The good old days lol

[BattlingNelson]

What did Sven Ottke do to be the biggest ducker of all time? What didnt he do. The guy fought from 97-2004, first of all. Nice 7 year career dude. 2nd of all the best fighter he ever faced was Glen Johnson who he robbed, second best Robin Reid who he robbed, 3rd best a robbery SD over Byron Mitchell, refused to give rematches to all 3. His entire career was foguht in a 50 mile radius so 1. he ducked ever fighting outside of that radius. What other fighter ever did that. Refused matches with Calzahge, jones, hopkins and tons of fighters who offered and tried to get him to fight. Apparently his management had a list of people they wouldnt even accept calls for. Look at his final fight, his glory fight, against Armand Krajnk a guy fighting in clubs. Retired after 6 and a half years of fighting. The guy had 6 ko's in his entire career, he had more robberies than KO's. THis guy was by far the biggest ducker of all time. He got his title off of Charles brewer who he made come to Germany for the title fight. And then robbed him. The he had a rematch and robbed him again. I dont know how this guy got so many favorable decisions. Its obscene. The guys whole career was a joke. Ducked the best fighters, ducked anyone who wouldnt fight him at his house, ducked fighting without at least 2 german judges.

So you are saying he ducked Calzaghe who didn't want to go to Germany despite Ottke being the no.1 in the division? Doesn't look like a duck to me.

And then you mention Jones and Hopkins. When was that ducking supposed to have taken place?

And then there are 'tons of fighters' more. Who?

[JAB5239]

LOL! I remember we had some arguments about that Jab.. The good old days lol

I learned a lot from you guys. Many of you opened my eyes to much I didn't know about boxing history and Im a smarter and better fan of the history of this sport because of it. My thanks to you and the rest of the crew that use to post there.

[them_apples]

Joe Calzaghe

[Greatest1942]

i have never ever said i dont like Langford nor have i said that he was not a truely incredible fighter, all i have said is that P4P Ray Robinson is universally recognized as No1.

Here is an interesting little tidbit for you:

“Langford was among the five fighters to whom I gave the worst beatings in all my career. This quintet was composed of Jim Jeffries, Tommy Burns, Sam Langford, Sailor Burke and Frank Childs.”

To his dying day in 1972, Ring editor Nat Fleischer maintained that Jack Johnson was the greatest of all the heavyweights. Understandably, Nat was eager to get to the bottom of the Johnson-Langford controversy. In his 1958 book, ’50 Years at Ringside’, Fleischer produced the testimony of his father-in-law, Dad Phillips, who allegedly saw the fight.

Said Phillips: “Jack Johnson decisively defeated Sam Langford. He was complete master of the situation. Jack so far outclassed Langford that for a time, until he purposely eased up on his onslaughts, the fight was one-sided.

“Langford was dropped twice for counts of nine, and he would have been out the first time if referee Martin Flaherty had not slowed up the count. At the end of the fight, Sam had to be taken to a hospital.

“As for Langford dropping Johnson, that’s absurd. Why, he couldn’t land on Jack.”
Sam’s alleged knockdown of Jack continued to bug Nat Fleischer, who had to find the truth from the nearest equivalent of the horse’s mouth. Nat cornered Langford’s former manager Joe Woodman and good-naturedly demanded the true version of events.
According to Fleischer, this was Woodman’s response: “You’ve got me, Nat. Langford never dropped Johnson. But I was anxious to fix up another fight between the two and, knowing Jack’s pride, I invented the story of that knockdown to goad him into the ring against Sam again.

“Although it never happened, all the newspapermen believed it. They just never took the trouble to investigate. That knockdown was just a publicity gimmick.”

I knew this Sonny...but I take everything Johnson tells with a grain of salt. In his autobiography he tells the truth, and in a letter the another. And he beat a middle weight, outweighing him considerably.

If Evander beat Toney in 1990-92 who weighed less than 158 it would have been so great ? Sam was a middle weight when Johnson beat him handily. If Ali beat Sugar Ray handily will it be so great outweighing him all the time? When Sam matured , and cleared out the heavyweight division Johnson blatantly ducked him.

[Greatest1942]

He beat Jack Johnson so badly in their fight years ago that when Johnson was champion and Langford offered to fight him without a dollar, for his end of the purse, Johnson refused.

The above sentence is garbage and cannot be further from the truth as you know as well as i know that Johnson hammered him not him hammer Johnson

Read fully okay? He wrote

He beat Jack Johnson so badly in their fight years ago that when Johnson was champion and Langford offered to fight him without a dollar, for his end of the purse, Johnson refused. (NOTE: While Langford may have landed some heavy blows against Johnson in their only fight, it was only he, as a 20-year old who had not yet physically matured, and was outweighed by 35- 40 pounds or so that suffered a beating.)


Wrote that Sam took a beating okay? And Corbett knew more about those men than you do.

[Greatest1942]

I guess most knew about Johnson and Langford but thanks to greatest1942 for all the good stuff he put forth. Nice read indeed.




One of the notable ducks in history is the story of Charly Burley who's one of the best fighters never to fight for a championship. Among those who avoided him was MW champions Tony Zale and Rocky Graziano. Other notable greats who avoided him was Ray Robinson, Jake Lamotta and Billy Conn.

I'm sure some more into this timeperiod can tell who was the major 'ducker' of Burleys.


Also Ad Wolgast and partially Bat Nelson was ducking Packey Macfarland who had one of the best records for a fighter never getting a title shot. He was arguably a little to heavy for his own good meaning that he was more of a 140 lb'er than a LW which was to bad for him as the junior welterweight division didnt exist in those days.


Further ducks noteworthy is those already mentioned in Bowe-Lewis, Corro-Hagler. I might add Mashashi Kudu ducking Ayub Kalule for several years but they did end up fighting.





Who did Ottke duck to be worthy of the title of worst ducker of all time?

Thanks Bat.
I will like to add that Zivic brought Burley's contract so that he could avoid him easily. Burley was in the top 10 for a period of 100 months or so, yet got ducked.

[rsf]

leonard ducking pryor
leonard ducking a hagler rematch hagler
leonard ducking a hearns third fight
foreman ducking holmes