Is Joe Louis Overrated?

[Ivich]

Score was 6-6 not 6-7 (It couldn't be 6-7 the 13th round was not scored.)

P.S. Conn had to win at least one round on two judges score cards or two rounds on one judges score card (each round) to win. (Dependent on which judges.)

If Louis takes all three final rounds on all three judges score cards he wins a MD.

It is a common mistake to believe that Conn could have just stalled for three rounds. He needed to score just a couple more points to win the title.

The Conn fight scorecards
2:58 ref: Eddie Joseph 5-7 Bill Healy 6-6 Marty Monroe 4-7Box Rec


The Walcott 1st fight score cards

ref: Ruby Goldstein 6-7 Frank Forbes 8-6 Marty Monroe 9-6 BOX REC.

[Ivich]

you posting of bogus score cards men nothing. You say louis was ahead?


No, he was behind the super middle weight. He lucky this fight wasn't 12 rounds and conn fought ******ly in the 13th

" after twelve rounds, conn was ahead on two of the three scorecards and even on the third. He needed to win just one of the three remaining rounds to get the decision. However, after staggering louis in the twelfth, conn believed he could stop him and went for a knockout in the thirteenth. Louis, who was told by his trainer, jack blackburn, that he had to stop conn to win, also went for a knockout. Louis hurt conn with a right about a minute into the round. Louis, one of the greatest finishers of all-time, didn't let conn off the hook. A volley of lefts and rights put conn down for the count at 2:58 of the thirteenth round "

Where did I say Louis was ahead? I said Louis was not in the position you claim he was and he wasn't
Walcott fight'
ref: Ruby Goldstein 6-7 Frank Forbes 8-6 Marty Monroe 9-6 Box Rec

Conn fight.
2:58 ref: Eddie Joseph 5-7 Bill Healy 6-6 Marty Monroe 4-7Box Rec

[Ivich]

You posting of bogus score cards men nothing. You say Louis was ahead?


No, he was behind the super middle weight. He lucky this fight wasn't 12 rounds and Conn fought ******ly in the 13th

" After twelve rounds, Conn was ahead on two of the three scorecards and even on the third. He needed to win just one of the three remaining rounds to get the decision. However, after staggering Louis in the twelfth, Conn believed he could stop him and went for a knockout in the thirteenth. Louis, who was told by his trainer, Jack Blackburn, that he had to stop Conn to win, also went for a knockout. Louis hurt Conn with a right about a minute into the round. Louis, one of the greatest finishers of all-time, didn't let Conn off the hook. A volley of lefts and rights put Conn down for the count at 2:58 of the thirteenth round "

No bogus score cards Conn v Louis= 2:58 ref: Eddie Joseph 5-7 Bill Healy 6-6 Marty Monroe 4-7

Walcott v Louis=ref: Ruby Goldstein 6-7 Frank Forbes 8-6 Marty Monroe 9-6
Official Score cards taken from Box Rec.

[Ivich]

Score was 6-6 not 6-7 (It couldn't be 6-7 the 13th round was not scored.)

P.S. Conn had to win at least one round on two judges score cards or two rounds on one judges score card (each round) to win. (Dependent on which judges.)

If Louis takes all three final rounds on all three judges score cards he wins a MD.

It is a common mistake to believe that Conn could have just stalled for three rounds. He needed to score just a couple more points to win the title.

Louis stopped Conn at 2.58 seconds of the 13th round that's why the scoring was as it was.

[Willow The Wisp]

Yup keep repeating that lie you crazy robot as if we dont have video of mutiple no names on top of mid/high from 70s-now who were and are way more advanced and he went undefeated cause he fought novices like this is easy to see this you crazy bad vision person
like why brag on that anybody with logic knows if a person went undefeated that long means they fought trash you slow idiot

most technical ever fighting like a novice in 30-40s only a nut would say that who never seen matches outside that era you nut your just lke the rest of the crazy idiots

I dont need to explain any thing cause anybody with good vision should be able to see he looks trash compared the poster post was right

Fighters fought with better techniques in the 1920's than they do in the 2020's. You monkey boy, you.

[Willie Pep 229]

Louis stopped Conn at 2.58 seconds of the 13th round that's why the scoring was as it was.

I'm sorry I don't understand. The score was 6-6 going into the 13th. No score for the 13th was recorded. A 6-7 score is impossible.

You corrected Healy score down to 6-6 that is good.

Why are you pointing out the stoppage time to me?

[Ivich]

I'm sorry I don't understand. The score was 6-6 going into the 13th. No score for the 13th was recorded. A 6-7 score is impossible.

You corrected Healy score down to 6-6 that is good.

Why are you pointing out the stoppage time to me?

At first I thought that perhaps,as the 13th round was almost completed ,that it was scored ,but that isnt the case, as you say there is a numerical error of 1 point.but that in no way changes the other scores
Those are Box Rec's scorecards taken directly from the officials not mine .You must take it up with them.

[Willie Pep 229]

At first I thought that perhaps,as the 13th round was almost completed ,that it was scored ,but that isnt the case, as you say there is a numerical error of 1 point.but that in no way changes the other scores
Those are Box Rec's scorecards taken directly from the officials not mine .You must take it up with them.

No I took the scores from Boxrec as well. Too small to worry about considering the point you were making.

It mattered to me because I was trying to figure out the out minimum number of scored rounds needed for Conn to win the title.

[Dr. Z]

What is your opinion of Louis' resume and the opponents he faced as a Heavyweight? Is he overrated?


Joe Louis had a fragile chin(dropped countless times as a fighter), lacked great footwork, lateral movement and had no answer to movement and a scientific boxer:

Ezzard Charles - Totally outclassed Louis with his supreme boxing ability

Jersey Joe Walcott 1 - This was a highway robbery and proved once again Louis couldn't handle movement.

A ringside poll of 32 boxing writers had 21 scoring the bout for Walcott, 10 scoring it for Louis and 1 scoring it a draw


Billy Conn 1 - Louis was totally outclassed by this LHW sweet scientist and was on his way to an embarrassing defeat until Conn got careless and decided to go for the KO

Max Schmeling - Knocked Louis Out badly, further proving he had a terrible chin


Most of his title reign consisted of jokers from "The Bum of The Month Club"

Louis fought Jack Roper who had 39 losses!!!! Imagine if Ali or Vitali fought someone like that as Champ.

He fought Bob Pastor who had 17 KO's in over 50 wins and would later get stopped by Conn!!!! He gave rematches to fighters whom he never should have fought even once. Why did he duck Elmer Ray, Turkey Thompson, Lem Franklin, and Lee Q Murray for stiffs like Savold, Simon, McCoy and Musto???

The Auturo Godoy was given to Louis when his personal ref Art Donovan broke a tie vote.

He is best known for his two epic fights with Joe Louis for the World Heavyweight Championship in 1940. The first was held at the Madison Square Garden on February 10, 1940, and went the full length of 15 rounds. The 2 ringside judges split their votes and the tie was broken by the referee, who gave it to Louis, to the protest of a substantial part of the audience, who had been won over by the fact that Godoy showed no fear of Louis and by the additional fact that Louis was not able to knock out his opponent after a string of K.O.s and T.K.O.s. South Americans and Chileans in particular thought that Godoy had indeed won the fight and from then on the figure of Godoy acquired mythical proportions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arturo_Godoy


Watch the film and score was left of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLbLGeTHIJA

[Dr. Z]

No bogus score cards Conn v Louis= 2:58 ref: Eddie Joseph 5-7 Bill Healy 6-6 Marty Monroe 4-7

Walcott v Louis=ref: Ruby Goldstein 6-7 Frank Forbes 8-6 Marty Monroe 9-6
Official Score cards taken from Box Rec.

Who was in the lead for Louis vs Conn a super middle wight after 12 rounds?