Rocky Marciano VS Mike Tyson.

[butterfly1964]

well people heres my take im from massachusetts and my opinion isnt based on that im from Rockys state but ill tell you this this defitnitly be a fight for the ages these 2 where very powerful fighters no doubt and even though rocky wasent the fastest fighter in the world he made up for it with stamina and power hes 49-0 and thats all that needs to be said even if rocky would take a pounding his stamina would outlast the other fighter and rocky really didnt really need to outlast his opponents cause hed KO them he has the highest knockout rate of any fighter his hands where the real weapons of mass destruction tyson no doubt was a male speciman and rightfuly feared cause of his short arms wich packed massive power and had speed problily second to Ali but in the end i think the Brockton blockbuster would win i think he would outlast tyson and hit tysons arms so much he wouldnt be able to use them and if you did your reasearch when Ali did that computer fight thing with Rocky Ali said he had a hard time hitting Rocky cause he looked like he was moveing away when in reality he was sliding right or left and the crouch he had made it difficult also for him to be hit. so i say it would be either the longest grueling fight of all time or the quickest fight we would ever see but in the end Rocky would take it cause theres no one who had more stamina and punching power than the Rock thats my story and im sticken to it

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[butterfly1964]

I love Marciano, but I just can't see him beating Tyson. 1.) Tyson has vastly superior handspeed, and is an excellent combination puncher. Marciano will be taking more punches than he's giving. 2.) Marciano is a slow starter. Tyson is a fast starter. 3.) Marciano won't be able to push Tyson backward-- Tyson has 30 lbs on Marciano. Tyson can't fight going backward, but he's very dangerous when coming foward, because he can get a lot of leverage on his punches. 4.) Tyson will be able to push Marciano backwards. Marciano won't be able to fight well going backwards.
Marciano was a very good fighter, but he is just physically out-gunned by Tyson. Marciano's advantages--conditioning and willpower--aren't going to come into play in this fight, cause it will be over in a few rounds. It's about who KOs who first, and based on his physical advantages, I've gotta pick Tyson.

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[J.C.]

What do the REAL Experts say?

"For a while to put Mike Tyson on the same level as Rocky Marciano; but it could never happen. When Rocky was in there he didn't just have the punch; he had the heart and will to win that Tyson or any of the others could ever come close to matching."

LOU DUVA (2004)

Lou Duva is one of today's top fight trainers and has turned out eighteen world champions. Duva is old school and in my veiw the old school was the best school for it turned out the greatest fighters.

I agree with what Duva said in comparing Mike Tyson with Rocky Marciano.

Looking back at Mike Tyson's professional career I saw that Mike was easily beaten by Evander Holyfield, however. Mike could be and was awesome when he was fighting scared, and lesser opponents than Holyfield.

Against a fighter who isn't afraid of him like Holyfield. Tyson lacks heart and courage to stay in a fight where he in being hurt.

Tyson also lacks stamina, and he'd get tired after 4 or 5 rounds.

Marciano would have faced Tyson head on and fought him toe-to-toe and took his best punches and given Tyson some punches just as hard or harder, and Tyson would have lost heart and courage just as he did with Holyfield.

Even if Tyson could keep his nerve after 5 rounds taking some hard punches from Marciano, Tyson would have been fighting somebody who still had the power to get the knockout and would not be tired like Mike would be after 4 or 5 rounds.

When you look at Tyson's over all professional career you see that whenever Mike took a good solid punch and got hit hard, he near stopped fighting, and started holding back and would stop throwing combination punches but NOT so with Marciano. Rocky always went forward and never backed up in a fight and Rocky could punch hard, VERY hard, he could hurt you with either hand no matter where he hit you arms, shoulders or wherever?

Also when you look back at Tyson's professional career you see that he could never come back in a fight when he was behind and losing the fight he never could and he never ever did in being able to come back in a fight. But NOT so with Marciano, he always could and did come back to win the fight, but Tyson never could do so in his fights.

Tyson, could never come back to win a fight after he had been knocked down, he never could and he never did in his fights. But NOT so with Marcianio he always did and to win the fight.

When Mike gets knocked down, he's DONE!

Marciano would wear Tyson down, Mike would be toast after 4 or 5 rounds. I pick Rocky the winner by knockout in the fifth or sixth round.

[K-DOGG]

Just had a massive discussion with a friend of mine about this, and he reckons that Rocky would win against Mike Tyson in a modern day fight.

Now take into consideration that Rocky would be fighting in the same condition he was in, in his prime, and the same with Tyson. Now tell me who would win, and i will tell you who and why i think one of them would win after.

P.s Im guessing this thread has come up before, sorry but i need an answer cos this is buggin me.

Rocky actually does have a good chance to win due to his style and stature. Tyson was a fast starter and used to fighting guys much taller than him; Rock was shorter, which means Mike would have to do infighting, which he wasn't particularly good at. Yes, Mike threw excellent inside combinations; but he had to get set usually to throw them. Rock wouldn't let him get set as he'd be punching back and keeping Mike busy.

I can see Mike dropping Rocky in the early going; but if Rock survives the initial three round assault, he's got a very good chance at wearing Mike down over the middle rounds and actually stopping him by the 9th IMO.

Mike could have the pace dictated to him, Rocky never did. Sure, his opponents set the pace on many occassions; but almost always by the end of the fight, both men were fighting Rocky's fight. Mike, who willingly time and again let opponents tie him up in clinches, would have serious trouble with Marciano down the stretch.....provided, of course Rocky escapes the initial barrage, which I think he very well could.

[aljon]

Tyson wouldn't lose to anyone smaller than him...

[Brassangel]

Originally posted by J.C.
Looking back at Mike Tyson's professional career I saw that Mike was easily beaten by Evander Holyfield, however. Mike could be and was awesome when he was fighting scared, and lesser opponents than Holyfield.

Against a fighter who isn't afraid of him like Holyfield. Tyson lacks heart and courage to stay in a fight where he in being hurt.

Tyson also lacks stamina, and he'd get tired after 4 or 5 rounds.

Mike Tyson had four years off prior to fighting Holyfield. During the time that Mike was in prison, Holyfield was taking epic beatings and delivering them against the tops of the heavyweight division. Furthermore, Mike only fought 9 rounds against very poor opposition after being released before fighting a finely tuned Evander. Muhammad Ali was away from the ring for three years, but fought 18 rounds against top contenders prior to his fight with Joe Frazier. I've already stated this on another thread, but for some reason, everybody grants Ali his layoff as an excuse for not being ready to face Frazier, while saying that Holyfield simply outclassed Tyson.

Furthermore, Mike Tyson from 1985-1988 threw combinations. He threw one tactful combination in their entire first fight, and it was during the fifth round. He threw a combination to the body followed by a right uppercut, and Holyfield staggered backwards.

In their second meeting, Mike basically threw the jabs in rounds one and two, but he didn't allow himself to get pushed backwards. He came in the lightest he had been in a professional fight in nearly ten years. He waited Holyfield's initial combos, and in the third round (prior to the bite), Mike came out firing combos like the 80's Tyson. Twice he staggered Holyfield and put him on his heels, and Evander even showed a look of slight concern on his face, as he hadn't faced this opponent yet. Tyson was clearly rusty in both fights, and yet he showed that even with just a few simple combos reminiscent of the style he applied on his rise to the championship, he easily outclassed Evander Holyfield.

Nonetheless, his heart was always lacking; which is why he didn't apply himself as he could have.

As far as his stamina goes, Tyson showed on multiple occassions that he could still fire late. Even against Douglas, where Mike was in abhorrent shape, he had his head snapped for eight rounds without throwing back hardly anything, and he still mustered an uppercut that floored Douglas. While power is naturally one of the last things to go in a fighter, his handspeed, even that late in the fight, would still surpass Marciano. Chances are, Rocky wouldn't get away with bombing Mike for multiple rounds; especially as a slow starter.

A true stamina example would be both Ruddock fights where Mike brought the fight for 7 rounds and 12 rounds while being punched by a fighter who was 230+ pounds with incredible power.

I don't see Rocky surviving the early going, despite his amazing stamina, chin, and heart. I think that Mike cuts him up, takes some shots back, and basically combos Rocky into the ground. If Marciano survives, which he could, Mike could still win a decision simply for outworking Rocky in the first 6 or 7 rounds. I don't know, the Rock is great, so anything's possible.

[butterfly1964]

Tyson wouldn't lose to anyone smaller than him...

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[butterfly1964]

Mike Tyson had four years off prior to fighting Holyfield. During the time that Mike was in prison, Holyfield was taking epic beatings and delivering them against the tops of the heavyweight division. Furthermore, Mike only fought 9 rounds against very poor opposition after being released before fighting a finely tuned Evander. Muhammad Ali was away from the ring for three years, but fought 18 rounds against top contenders prior to his fight with Joe Frazier. I've already stated this on another thread, but for some reason, everybody grants Ali his layoff as an excuse for not being ready to face Frazier, while saying that Holyfield simply outclassed Tyson.

Furthermore, Mike Tyson from 1985-1988 threw combinations. He threw one tactful combination in their entire first fight, and it was during the fifth round. He threw a combination to the body followed by a right uppercut, and Holyfield staggered backwards.

In their second meeting, Mike basically threw the jabs in rounds one and two, but he didn't allow himself to get pushed backwards. He came in the lightest he had been in a professional fight in nearly ten years. He waited Holyfield's initial combos, and in the third round (prior to the bite), Mike came out firing combos like the 80's Tyson. Twice he staggered Holyfield and put him on his heels, and Evander even showed a look of slight concern on his face, as he hadn't faced this opponent yet. Tyson was clearly rusty in both fights, and yet he showed that even with just a few simple combos reminiscent of the style he applied on his rise to the championship, he easily outclassed Evander Holyfield.

Nonetheless, his heart was always lacking; which is why he didn't apply himself as he could have.

As far as his stamina goes, Tyson showed on multiple occassions that he could still fire late. Even against Douglas, where Mike was in abhorrent shape, he had his head snapped for eight rounds without throwing back hardly anything, and he still mustered an uppercut that floored Douglas. While power is naturally one of the last things to go in a fighter, his handspeed, even that late in the fight, would still surpass Marciano. Chances are, Rocky wouldn't get away with bombing Mike for multiple rounds; especially as a slow starter.

A true stamina example would be both Ruddock fights where Mike brought the fight for 7 rounds and 12 rounds while being punched by a fighter who was 230+ pounds with incredible power.

I don't see Rocky surviving the early going, despite his amazing stamina, chin, and heart. I think that Mike cuts him up, takes some shots back, and basically combos Rocky into the ground. If Marciano survives, which he could, Mike could still win a decision simply for outworking Rocky in the first 6 or 7 rounds. I don't know, the Rock is great, so anything's possible.

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[brownpimp88]

Honestly tyson is better, he's got more skill, better head movement and combos. Beating the 1988 larry holmes is more legit than beating the 1951 joe louis. Cuz at that time larry wasnt SOUNDLY beaten before, while joe got whopped by max and ezzard. I would pick a fresh spinks over washed up archie and ezzard any day of the week. The fact that ezzard went the full 15 rounds with a prime rocky is kinda embarassing cuz ezzard was 3 years past his prime.

[realheavyhands]

1st round knockout tyson probably about 20 or 30 seconds.. tysons outweighs mariano by 35 pounds is 50 times faster.. its not even fair to marciano to compare the two..