Rocky Marciano VS Mike Tyson.

[Hous]

Taking the title from older men:
You would think Marciano was the only champion who recieved his title shot against an older opponent, to hear some critics howl. Let's take a little look at boxing history and see if anyone else beat up an old man to become the champion. Hmmm....

Marciano was 9 years younger than Walcott
But...
Dempsey was 13 years younger than Willard
James J. Jefferies was 12 years younger than Bob Fitzsimmons
Louis was 12 years younger than Braddock
Ali was 10 years younger than Liston
Holmes was 6 years younger than Norton
Spinks was 11 years younger than Ali
Tyson was 14 years younger than Trevor Berbick (WBC Champion)
Tyson was 12 years younger than James "Bonecrusher" Smith (WBA Champion)
Jim Corbett was 8 years younger than John L. Sullivan

So, the average age difference for these championship fights was 11 years. Rocky therefore had less of an age factor advantage than Dempsey, Jefferies, Louis, Ali, Spinks, Tyson, and Corbett.

Non-title fights:
Marciano was 10 years younger than Archie Moore
But wait....
Ali was 19 years younger than Archie Moore!!!
Patterson was 21 years younger than Archie Moore!!!!
Joe Louis was 9 years younger than Max Schmelling. (Max KO'd Joe and was later KO'd by him)
Louis was 12 years younger than Jack Sharkey
Ali was 8 years younger than Henry Cooper
Ali was 7 years younger than Patterson

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/A...//Rocky13.html

Seems to me these facts speak louder than anything else. Marcianos age difference is actually lower than all of the other legends when they won their titles.

Their was a ten year age difference between Moore and Marciano, significant but not nearly as bad as some of the above, and they are more well known that Marciano.

Check this out, Floyd Patterson was 21 years younger than Archie Moore and Archie KOed him by the fifth round. This happened after Marciano KOed Archie Moore.

Nov 30 Floyd Patterson Chicago KO by 5

http://www.fighttoys.com/Moore%20record.htm

And it took Tyson 12 rounds, in his prime, to win a fight with James Smith by desicion. Tyson was 14 years younger than James Smith

Mar 3 James Smith Las Vegas, NV W 12

http://www.fighttoys.com/Tyson%20record.htm
If you think winning a desicion over James Smith, who the hell is that, with a 14 year age difference is more impressive than KOing a man 10 years older than you that has gone down in history as one of the finest men in boxing you are a nuthugger.

Every arguement you have is being shut down and is being used against you. Marciano is less guilty of this than every example you use.

You can't put Marciano down for the same things all boxers have done. Marciano is actually less guilty of all of it, as I PROVED, but is only one accused of it.

Why?

[Dempsey1238]

Why are we still having polls about some worthless piece of crap like Marciano?First let Marciano fight Corley Wallace and not get knocked out in 1 round,or have him fight a 45 year old man like Archie Moore and not get knocked down with one punch and take 8 rounds to knock out a fighter who was knocked out many times in one round by men his own size.
When Marciano can do that then maybe you put him in the same league as a Tyson.Even then Marciano gets knocked out in one round.

Marciano WAS not knockout vs Wallace. Wallace won a 3 round points victory over the Rock.'
Were is this coming from anyway?

[SuzieQ49]

Why are we still having polls about some worthless piece of crap like Marciano?First let Marciano fight Corley Wallace and not get knocked out in 1 round,or have him fight a 45 year old man like Archie Moore and not get knocked down with one punch and take 8 rounds to knock out a fighter who was knocked out many times in one round by men his own size.
When Marciano can do that then maybe you put him in the same league as a Tyson.Even then Marciano gets knocked out in one round.

marciano was not knocked out by colley wallace. he lost a controversial decision to wallace that EVERYONE thought marciano won.

[SuzieQ49]

actually moore was 38 when he fought rocky, rocky was 32.


that means theres only a SIX year difference

[osamabinwayne]

Wow this thread is still going on. I'm going to put an end to this discussion for all. Tyson does have all the atributes to knock him out early in the rounds but the thing with Marciano was he wasn't human. The guy could not be broken down. In every fight he imposed his will upon every fighter. Rocky has a history of ruining fighters both mentally and physically. What has Tyson done? Nothing except knock out journeyman. In all honestly Tyson would have a true chance of TKO'ing Rocky in the earlier rounds where Tyson excels it. Rocky however had the lion of a lion. The only way to KO him out was to kill him. I see Tyson scared after tasting a couple of Marcianos destructive power. The chances of him knocking out the Rock are slim. The guy has too much heart. And that unbreakable will will strike Tysons weak heart. He'll ultimately break down and be scared ****less of Marciano. Tyson was iron chin and it would take Marciano plenty of shots to break him down but eventually it would happen IMO. Quite frankly I don't see any swarmer type fighters having a chance against Marciano. He was another Henry Armstrong with even more devastating hands. If going by todays rules Rocky would probably lose by TKO in the 4th but back in the old days of rules, Rocky would most likely knock Tyson the **** out.. Rocky KO Tyson 7

BTW Suzi who is that guy on your main picture and I sent you a PM awhile back with which you didn't reply.

[hemichromis]

hey nicely summed up but i bet not all agree!

[BKM-]

Wow this thread is still going on. I'm going to put an end to this discussion for all. Tyson does have all the atributes to knock him out early in the rounds but the thing with Marciano was he wasn't human. The guy could not be broken down. In every fight he imposed his will upon every fighter. Rocky has a history of ruining fighters both mentally and physically. What has Tyson done? Nothing except knock out journeyman. In all honestly Tyson would have a true chance of TKO'ing Rocky in the earlier rounds where Tyson excels it. Rocky however had the lion of a lion. The only way to KO him out was to kill him. I see Tyson scared after tasting a couple of Marcianos destructive power. The chances of him knocking out the Rock are slim. The guy has too much heart. And that unbreakable will will strike Tysons weak heart. He'll ultimately break down and be scared ****less of Marciano. Tyson was iron chin and it would take Marciano plenty of shots to break him down but eventually it would happen IMO. Quite frankly I don't see any swarmer type fighters having a chance against Marciano. He was another Henry Armstrong with even more devastating hands. If going by todays rules Rocky would probably lose by TKO in the 4th but back in the old days of rules, Rocky would most likely knock Tyson the **** out.. Rocky KO Tyson 7

BTW Suzi who is that guy on your main picture and I sent you a PM awhile back with which you didn't reply.

Thats why these kind of matchups never really work. In Tyson's days, the ref would stop the fight pretty soon when he saw a guy was taking a big beating. Marciano could take a beating, same as Tyson.
So you might be right about Marciano being stopped by Tyson in the 80s, and Tyson maybe getting KO'd in Marciano's days.

Thats all we can speculate really.

[Jenks88]

Tyson wins

I love Marciano, but I just can't see him beating Tyson. 1.) Tyson has vastly superior handspeed, and is an excellent combination puncher. Marciano will be taking more punches than he's giving. 2.) Marciano is a slow starter. Tyson is a fast starter. 3.) Marciano won't be able to push Tyson backward-- Tyson has 30 lbs on Marciano. Tyson can't fight going backward, but he's very dangerous when coming foward, because he can get a lot of leverage on his punches. 4.) Tyson will be able to push Marciano backwards. Marciano won't be able to fight well going backwards.
Marciano was a very good fighter, but he is just physically out-gunned by Tyson. Marciano's advantages--conditioning and willpower--aren't going to come into play in this fight, cause it will be over in a few rounds. It's about who KOs who first, and based on his physical advantages, I've gotta pick Tyson.

[Hous]

Part II

Accidently posted here.

[Metalhead8486]

well people heres my take im from massachusetts and my opinion isnt based on that im from Rockys state but ill tell you this this defitnitly be a fight for the ages these 2 where very powerful fighters no doubt and even though rocky wasent the fastest fighter in the world he made up for it with stamina and power hes 49-0 and thats all that needs to be said even if rocky would take a pounding his stamina would outlast the other fighter and rocky really didnt really need to outlast his opponents cause hed KO them he has the highest knockout rate of any fighter his hands where the real weapons of mass destruction tyson no doubt was a male speciman and rightfuly feared cause of his short arms wich packed massive power and had speed problily second to Ali but in the end i think the Brockton blockbuster would win i think he would outlast tyson and hit tysons arms so much he wouldnt be able to use them and if you did your reasearch when Ali did that computer fight thing with Rocky Ali said he had a hard time hitting Rocky cause he looked like he was moveing away when in reality he was sliding right or left and the crouch he had made it difficult also for him to be hit. so i say it would be either the longest grueling fight of all time or the quickest fight we would ever see but in the end Rocky would take it cause theres no one who had more stamina and punching power than the Rock thats my story and im sticken to it