How Great Is Lennox Lewis's Resume?

[Toney616]

Could you please list off some good to great fighters that were prime or near prime that Lennox Lewis fought?

Vitali Klitschko

[mickey malone]

This is a bold faced lie.

Michael Grant, Golota, and David Tua were the top contenders who were much younger than Lennox Lewis. All 3 were KO artists and had 1 conventional loss between them when Lennox faced them.

Not only did Lennox fight the number 1 contenders in their prime but he beat a number 1 prime contender at the old age of 37.

Vitali went on to become the dominant champ of the next era. Go find one Heavyweight Great who beat the dominant champ of the NEXT era?

its the equivalent of:
Marciano beating Liston
Jeffries beating Johnson
Ali beating Holmes
Holmes beating Tyson

What Lennox did in his career is remarkable, and he deserves a spot in the top 10 HW's.

Very good point.. Arguments will come back that he was losing the fight, and it was a deliberate head butt.. In my opinion Lewis was beginning to gas, and I think if it wasn't for the stoppage he may have lost, but the fact that he toughed out the win proves he'd have been a comfortable winner in his prime.. Lewis also proved that it isn't compulsory for every ATG heavyweight to get humiliated in their last fight(s)..
OK, Marciano went one better by keeping his O, but I'd say a prime Klitschko is a better win than a 39 year old Archie Moore.. Walcott was 38, Savold a 37 year old trial horse, Vingo a 16 fight novice, and Kid Matthews was a blown up MW etc.. Take a look at Holmes - Leon Spinks, Scott Frank, Marvis Frazier, Scott Le Doux, Tex Cobb, a brain damaged Ali.. And Dempsey, sparked in 1 round by Fireman Jim Flynn, had the worst of 4 fights with tubby LHW Willie Meehan and never fought a black contender..
Honestly, with the exception of Ali, you can rip the **** out of any resume and Lewis is no different, but if people can't give him credit for beating a guy who is still a dominant champion today, then something has to be seriously wrong..

[beez721]

Holyfield and Ali are the only Heavyweights who come close to matching Lennox name for name, but LL has a better record and only 2 losses.

ali and holyfield would have never let rahman or mcall knock them out

[paul750]

ali and holyfield would have never let rahman or mcall knock them out

Maybe not, but two fellows named Cooper came damn close.

[beez721]

So what do you consider McCall and Rahman to be? Bums?

Go ahead and try and sell the idea that Tua was not a big puncher. He has first round knockout wins over Ruiz and Moorer.

If Holyfield was so past it, then how exactly did he manage to beat Tyson twice, while picking up two titles and being ranked the #1 in the division. Please explain that.

You're telling me that Vitali was winning the last couple of rounds, before the fight was stopped? Get out of here. Lewis was landing huge shots on Vitali. He was taking complete control of the fight and would've likely knocked him out.

Aside from that, why do you refuse to acknowledge the fact that Lewis was under-trained and was getting old?

Go ahead and ask anyone who got the better of this exchange, aside from your friend Sonny. Not only did I embarrass you, but you embarrassed yourself.

By the way, here's a tip for the future: to win debates, you actually have to try and debate.

tyson was also shot. come on man,,,its obvious holyfield was on the other side of the pond after the 3rd bowe fight

[paul750]

The defeats against McCall and Rahman are always going to be brought up as they are both clearly black marks in his career. But I don't agree with some people basically saying they were two journeymen. That is absolutely laughable. Both were up challenging for belts. McCall is arguably one of the toughest men ever to put a pair of gloves on, and could have achieved a lot more if he didn't have problems in his personal life. He has always been an extremely dangerous opponent for anybody he has ever faced. There is no shame in slipping up against him. Rahman was also a pretty decent operator at the time he fought Lewis. The problem was that Lewis was so good he didn't motivate himself enough at times. The defeats are black marks for sure, but they still don't change the fact that he was a great heavyweight.

[General Zod]

The problem with this loser is that he is only content with people who agree that Lewis is the greatest, or a top 5 greatest, heavyweight champion of all time.

Ive never said that, you will never find one post from me saying the above things. And even if I did whats it to you anyway?

If this thread were about any other fighter, he wouldn't give two ****s about what anybody said, even if they were way off the reservation, but since it's about his precious Lennox Lewis, he can not turn a blind eye, or ignore ones opinion, but will go to all out war to defend his favorite fighter.

lmao
Dont you think this is a bit rich coming from a guy who defends ALL of Tyson's actions?

That's when you can't be taken seriously. You can love a fighter as much as you want, but when you ignore his faults, or even worst, turn his faults into great accomplishments, and discredit other great fighters to boost your favorite fighter, that is when you're not a credible boxing fan, but just a fanboy.

Dude, you are the biggest fanboy in this forum
You dont even know anything about Lewis's resume either, you just hate him because he beat up your favourite fighter 7 years ago

Zod, you're a fanboy, and the worst fanboy at that. There are other Lewis fan's on here but they stay out of these threads because they can acknowledge the facts, whereas you feel the need to argue to the death that Lewis was a great champion, when the fact is that he was anything but.

Soir has challenged you to list some hw other than Ali or Holyfield who has a better resume that Lewis and you still havent done it. Lol at listing Marciano:
Charles was past prime and prime at lhw
Moore was 42 years old
Jersey joe was 38 in the first fight and 39 in the rematch
Joe Louis was way over the hill and fighting to keep the taxman off his back

He is the only HW I can think of that never fought any top contender at any point in his career. How many other HW's that are well known never fought a single good fighter?

He fought Holyfield twice, the same Holyfield who beat the crap out of the guy in your sig twice
Vitali K
Tua
He never paid 3m to avoid any of his contenders either, lol

Lewis is the only bigtime, mainstream guy that I can think of.

Thats because you dont know much about boxing. Their are two types of fights which tend to get made in boxing:
1: fights which the fans and tv networks want
2: Fights which the sanctioning bodies want

They are rarely the same thing for example:
Clottey vacated his ibf belt to fight cotto
Margarito vacated his ibf belt to face cotto
Mosley vacated his belt to fight Margarito
Dawson vacated his belt to fight Johnson
Dawson vacated huis belt to face Tarver
etc
etc
The above fights all came because the above fighters vacated their belts to make fights which the fans wanted to see. Are you know going to call all the above guys duckers?

No one cared about Byrd his fights were boring and dull. so Lewis decided to fight Kirk Johnson instead that fell through so he fought Vitali K instead

No one cared about Ruiz either so he went on to fight Grant who was considered the next big thing in the hw division.

You should be applauding him for doing this instead of condemning him.

Byrd went on to get koed by Wlad and Ike, he went down to lhw and got koed by a lhw

Ruiz went on to lose to two mw's and got koed by a overrated cw
And these are the guys Lewis ducked lol

Lewis was a pitiful disgrace of a heavyweight champion, and that is a fact.

lmao
Says a Mike Tyson fan. Lewis never disgraced himself by doing the following things:
Biting a guys ear off (Holyfield)
Biting a guy on the leg (Lewis)
Biting a guy on the chest (McBride)
Trying to break a guys arm (Botha)
Knocking down the referee (Nielsen)
Lewis resume>tyson resume
If Lewis has a c grade resume, what does that make about Tyson's resume? D grade, maybe?

[beez721]

Marciano has an absolute garbage resume. Out of all those geezers and light-heavyweights, he did not have one future contender or champion on his resume. Everyone he fought was either old, war-torn or shot. Roland Lastarza is his most quality win, and he was nothing more than a glorified tomato can. But...but...imagine if Rocky Marciano at age 37 were to pizza-face a PRIME Sonny Liston before retiring, he may not have looked great doing it, but imagine if old Rock got the TKO victory over the dominant Heavyweight of the next era? There'd be nothing I or anyone else could say, because Liston was perfect save for a couple *dives...Lennox's ugly win over Vitali(the liston of our era) trumps any opponent on Marcianos resume'

Tyson at his apex, couldnt beat Douglas. If that fight was an anomaly he shouldve rematched him like Lennox did Mccall and Rahman.. But Tyson is a ***** and has no heart whatsoever...next

Joe Frazier was a one dimensional hypejob who couldnt do anything other than left hook. He would just be another easy bum on Foremans resume' if it werent for one lucky night that made him a star. Lennox never lost to the same guy twice, Frazier lost twice, twice. And decent 70's stars like Shavers and Norton are no where to be found on Frazier's resume'

sure,,marciano didnt have a great era to work with but he did do what lewis couldnt do. retire undefeated without getting knocked out (twice). I also thought mercer edged lewis and holyfield in there second fight. lewis has a good resume but its far from perfect

[General Zod]

C- for fighting guys outside of their prime and getting embarrassed by Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman.

He has one of the poorest resumes of any heavyweight champion.

At least he wasn't embarassed by Buster Douglas
Lewis's resume>Tysons's resume

[beez721]

Maybe not, but two fellows named Cooper came damn close.

coming close and doing are 2 different things. if ali can take foreman,,listons and shavers punches I doubt he;d have much trouble with rahman or mcalls lol