How Great Is Lennox Lewis's Resume?

[mickey malone]

tyson was a top contender that come in at what was it 16st10 or suming a ***n a stone over weight and hadnt fought any1 he was puffingf on the beach and partying sorry he beat neilson lol it was his name that got him the fight not his ranking williams and mcbride went on to do a miles better job than lewis on tyson a cant beleive am sticking up for tyson but the fight was a mismatch and lewis beating his chest at the end like he beat king kong is ****ing commical didnt see any of that in holyfield rematch he was ****ting it until he got his fortunate verdict,lewis improved with age its a fackt maybe not as fit but his skills improved he was a good boxer def hall of famer that on his day would give any1 probs good jab big right hand good defense when he was switched still dont like him as you can see lol.

All in one sentence lol

[sonnyboyx2]

The only ones I called haters were Carlos and you, because that's exactly what you guys are.

If someone simply doesn't agree that Lewis is as great as other make them to be, I have no problem with that. But when someone tries to belittle Lewis to such a low extent and discredit everything he did while ignoring facts, then there's a problem.

I mean, how can I take the opinion of someone who said Lewis' resume is a C- seriously? I just can't.

You try and discredit everything he did, in a manner that can be done to any fighter. You could find a way to discredit every one of Ali's wins, as well Louis'. But those who are non-biased don't do that.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the idea that my avatar and signature makes you very angry.

your aviator and signature are both immaterial to me if you like them then i am cool with that... i have never said Lewis resume is C- .. and i most certainly have not ignored any facts... what are these `FACTS` you claim i have ignored?
How are Carlos & Myself haters? ... is it because we do not go along with your foolish idolization of Lewis and that we correct you on your `imaginary-assumptions` of how Lewis career unfolded.

i tell it how i seen it happen with the career of Lennox Lewis yet you claim that can be done with every heavyweight champions career, which once again you are wrong because champions like Marciano, Foreman, Frazier, Louis, Bowe, Ali, Liston, Holmes all beat another great fighter when that fighter was "AT THE TOP OF THEIR GAME" - WHICH I HAVE REPEATEDLY SAID LENNOX LEWIS NEVER ACHIEVED...you are trying to argue that the resume of Lewis is fantastic and i am pointing out to you that it is far from fantastic because he never beat fighters who was at the top of their game... EVER!

[Joeyzagz]

Destroy my arguments? What you posted above was probably the worst post in this thread, and I'm honestly not even going to reply to you.

People that really know boxing know what Lennox was all about. You can love him as much as you want, but he is what he is, like it or not.

Sonny is spot on in his assessment of Lennox Lewis, and every fact he states is backed up from multiple sources.

You have still failed to name one Heavyweight with a better resume' than Lennox Lewis.

Every resume' is going to have old boxers, inexperienced boxers, boxers coming off losses. Every single one will have these same list of guys on it, so saying Lewis is C- based on that does not tell me anything.

What you will not find, and Im quite certain of this, is a fighter who defeated everyone he ever faced including the dominant guy of the next era.

Lennox stands alone, and above every Heavyweight in history.

[JMaster]

your aviator and signature are both immaterial to me if you like them then i am cool with that... i have never said Lewis resume is C- .. and i most certainly have not ignored any facts... what are these `FACTS` you claim i have ignored?
How are Carlos & Myself haters? ... is it because we do not go along with your foolish idolization of Lewis and that we correct you on your `imaginary-assumptions` of how Lewis career unfolded.

i tell it how i seen it happen with the career of Lennox Lewis yet you claim that can be done with every heavyweight champions career, which once again you are wrong because champions like Marciano, Foreman, Frazier, Louis, Bowe, Ali, Liston, Holmes all beat another great fighter when that fighter was "AT THE TOP OF THEIR GAME" - WHICH I HAVE REPEATEDLY SAID LENNOX LEWIS NEVER ACHIEVED...you are trying to argue that the resume of Lewis is fantastic and i am pointing out to you that it is far from fantastic because he never beat fighters who was at the top of their game... EVER!

You bashed Lewis for fighting Holyfield, claiming Holyfield was past his prime. Yet, you ignored the fact that Holyfield was the #1 in the division.

You bashed him for fighting Tua, saying Tua was overweight. Yet, you ignored the fact that Tua weighed that much in his previous and proceeding fights. You also ignored the fact that Lewis weighed 15-20 pounds more than when he first won the title.

Like I said, though. I'm not gonna debate with you about these little things because it's pointless. You have a personal agenda that includes hating on Lewis.

Carlos, like you, diminished everything Lewis did. When I present him with an argument for his opinion, he calls me delusional and ******. That's a hater.

I rank Lewis as a top 5 heavyweight, which is common among boxing historians. So I don't see how that's a "foolish idolization".

I laugh at how you say all the fighters you named beat great fighters at the top of their game, yet you mention Marciano.

Like I said, comical.

[sonnyboyx2]

You bashed Lewis for fighting Holyfield, claiming Holyfield was past his prime. Yet, you ignored the fact that Holyfield was the #1 in the division.

You bashed him for fighting Tua, saying Tua was overweight. Yet, you ignored the fact that Tua weighed that much in his previous and proceeding fights. You also ignored the fact that Lewis weighed 15-20 pounds more than when he first won the title.

Like I said, though. I'm not gonna debate with you about these little things because it's pointless. You have a personal agenda that includes hating on Lewis.

Carlos, like you, diminished everything Lewis did. When I present him with an argument for his opinion, he calls me delusional and ******. That's a hater.

I rank Lewis as a top 5 heavyweight, which is common among boxing historians. So I don't see how that's a "foolish idolization".

I laugh at how you say all the fighters you named beat great fighters at the top of their game, yet you mention Marciano.

Like I said, comical.

my only agenda against Lewis is enlightening idiots like yourself..
1/. i never bashed Lewis for fighting Holyfield, i said Holyfield was on the downside of his career and not at the top of his game when Lewis fought him and i feel Holyfield was `Robbed` of the decision in their rematch..

2/. David Tua - i said Tua was `The fattest man to ever fight for the title` - yet you claim Tua was some kind of mythical-destroyer`who every fighter was terrified of, yet in reality he was a `Fat overweight bum`who other champions like Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Marciano, Dempsey etc would have little trouble taking care of.

3/. Carlos i assume is calling you `delusional & ******` because of you trying to claim Lewis to be greater than what he actually achieved during his career, like how you have just claimed that it is `common among boxing historians`that Lewis is ATG Top 5 among heavyweights.. i have never seen Lewis mentioned in any boxing historians Top 10 never mind Top 5.. perhaps you could post me some links to verify your claim.

4/. Rocky Marciano was one of the greatest heavyweight champions of all times who beat several good and great fighters when they was at the Top of there Game.. Ezzard Charles (twice), Roland LaStarza (twice) Harry Mathews, Rex Layne, Lee Savold, Archie Moore, Carmine Vingo..

5/. The big difference between Lennox Lewis and other heavyweight champions is that Lewis never fought any fighter that was at the top of their game and that Lewis is the only undisputed champion in history to be `Stripped` of every version of the title for refusing to fight the No1 contenders.. like it or not it is correct!

[CarlosG815]

You bashed Lewis for fighting Holyfield, claiming Holyfield was past his prime. Yet, you ignored the fact that Holyfield was the #1 in the division.

You bashed him for fighting Tua, saying Tua was overweight. Yet, you ignored the fact that Tua weighed that much in his previous and proceeding fights. You also ignored the fact that Lewis weighed 15-20 pounds more than when he first won the title.

Like I said, though. I'm not gonna debate with you about these little things because it's pointless. You have a personal agenda that includes hating on Lewis.

Carlos, like you, diminished everything Lewis did. When I present him with an argument for his opinion, he calls me delusional and ******. That's a hater.

I rank Lewis as a top 5 heavyweight, which is common among boxing historians. So I don't see how that's a "foolish idolization".

I laugh at how you say all the fighters you named beat great fighters at the top of their game, yet you mention Marciano.

Like I said, comical.

But your argument is that Tua was in good physical condition, Tyson wasn't far past it, Holyfield wasn't far past it, etc. How can anybody argue with somebody about that? That's why you can't "debate" with you. It's like arguing with a donkey - you will argue something that is a fact.

FACT - Holyfield was PAST IT. This is common knowledge.
FACT - Tyson was a BUM and heavily sedated when he lost to Lewis, and went on to get destroyed by journeymen Danny Williams and Kevin McBride.
FACT - Hasim Rahman is regarded by many to be the worst champion in history and if he had not KO'd Lennox nobody would know who he was.
FACT - Oliver McCall was a journeyman who's claim to fame was KO'ing Lewis. If he hadn't he'd just be remembered as a journeyman who sparred with Tyson. Had he not KO'd Lewis, all he'd talk about while he gets high with his friends is "I use to spar with Mike Tyson." Now he can boast about how he knocked Lewis head off in just 2 rounds.

That's not hating, kid, those are facts. You will counter everything above as if it's a "hater's opinion" because that's a crutch you use when you can't argue your way out of your argument.

Until you can acknowledge what has been posted as fact, or at least a legit opinion (even if you don't agree), nobody will take you seriously.

If I ran around this board boasting about Tyson's win over Larry Holmes, what would you say? You know exactly what you would say - Holmes was past it, poorly trained, coming off losses, etc... See the difference is, I like Tyson as much as you obviously like Lennox, but I can at least take certain victories on his resume for what they are (not that the Holmes victory was a bad one, as Holmes had a long and successful career after Tyson).

And many historian's don't even rank Lewis on their Top 50 or Top 100 ATG lists, however you will find heavy's such as Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Liston, Louis, Holyfield, etc...

You talk about reality as if you're living in it, when you obviously are not.

[sonnyboyx2]

You have still failed to name one Heavyweight with a better resume' than Lennox Lewis.

Every resume' is going to have old boxers, inexperienced boxers, boxers coming off losses. Every single one will have these same list of guys on it, so saying Lewis is C- based on that does not tell me anything.

What you will not find, and Im quite certain of this, is a fighter who defeated everyone he ever faced including the dominant guy of the next era.

Lennox stands alone, and above every Heavyweight in history.

Heavyweight Champions with a better resume than Lennox Lewis are champions who have beaten great fighters who was "AT THE TOP OF THEIR GAME" not fighters who was years past their best or on the downside of their career.

Marciano - Charles (twice) Moore, LaStarza (twice) Savold, Layne, Vingo, Mathews.

Frazier - Quarry (twice), Bonavena (twice) Ellis, Bugner, Chuvalo, Machen.

Foreman - Norton, Chuvalo, Frazier, Moorer, Lyle.

Dempsey - Sharkey, Carpentier, Miske, Willard, Gibbons, Firpo, Fulton.

Johnson - Jeffries, Ketchel, O`Brien, Burns, Langford,

Liston - Williams, Patterson, Machen, Folley,

Muhammad Ali - beat the best.

Holmes - Witherspoon, L.Spinks, Cooney, Mercer, Norton, Berbick, Shavers.

Tyson - Ruddock, Bruno, Spinks, Tucker, Smith,

Holyfield - Bowe, Mercer, Douglas, Dokes, Qawi (twice)

All the above beat a champion who was at the top of his game and all defeated No1 contenders something Lennox Lewis never achieved.

[CarlosG815]

You have still failed to name one Heavyweight with a better resume' than Lennox Lewis.

I seriously have to do that? Ok.

Muhammad Ali
Joe Frazier
Joe Louis
George Foreman
Evander Holyfield
Mike Tyson
Rocky Marciano
Larry Holmes
Jack Dempsey

Do I need to go on?

Sonny has already said it in case you missed it - LENNOX LEWIS NEVER FOUGHT ANY TOP CONTENDERS WHEN THEY WERE AT THE TOP OF THEIR GAME.

That is just a FACT and you can't make a case saying that any past top contenders were anymore than just a journeyman or bum at the time that they faced Lennox Lewis.

Most Lewis fans just look at big names on the resume without taking into account the condition of those fighters at the time they fought Lewis, compared to what they used to be, and what they went on to do post Lennox (further career dive).

[CarlosG815]

Heavyweight Champions with a better resume than Lennox Lewis are champions who have beaten great fighters who was "AT THE TOP OF THEIR GAME" not fighters who was years past their best or on the downside of their career.

Marciano - Charles (twice) Moore, LaStarza (twice) Savold, Layne, Vingo, Mathews.

Frazier - Quarry (twice), Bonavena (twice) Ellis, Bugner, Chuvalo, Machen.

Foreman - Norton, Chuvalo, Frazier, Moorer, Lyle.

Dempsey - Sharkey, Carpentier, Miske, Willard, Gibbons, Firpo, Fulton.

Johnson - Jeffries, Ketchel, O`Brien, Burns, Langford,

Liston - Williams, Patterson, Machen, Folley,

Muhammad Ali - beat the best.

Holmes - Witherspoon, L.Spinks, Cooney, Mercer, Norton, Berbick, Shavers.

Tyson - Ruddock, Bruno, Spinks, Tucker, Smith,

Holyfield - Bowe, Mercer, Douglas, Dokes, Qawi (twice)

All the above beat a champion who was at the top of his game and all defeated No1 contenders something Lennox Lewis never achieved.

haha, beat me to it Sonny.

[Joeyzagz]

C- for fighting guys outside of their prime and getting embarrassed by Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman.

He has one of the poorest resumes of any heavyweight champion.

Marciano has an absolute garbage resume. Out of all those geezers and light-heavyweights, he did not have one future contender or champion on his resume. Everyone he fought was either old, war-torn or shot. Roland Lastarza is his most quality win, and he was nothing more than a glorified tomato can. But...but...imagine if Rocky Marciano at age 37 were to pizza-face a PRIME Sonny Liston before retiring, he may not have looked great doing it, but imagine if old Rock got the TKO victory over the dominant Heavyweight of the next era? There'd be nothing I or anyone else could say, because Liston was perfect save for a couple *dives...Lennox's ugly win over Vitali(the liston of our era) trumps any opponent on Marcianos resume'

Tyson at his apex, couldnt beat Douglas. If that fight was an anomaly he shouldve rematched him like Lennox did Mccall and Rahman.. But Tyson is a ***** and has no heart whatsoever...next

Joe Frazier was a one dimensional hypejob who couldnt do anything other than left hook. He would just be another easy bum on Foremans resume' if it werent for one lucky night that made him a star. Lennox never lost to the same guy twice, Frazier lost twice, twice. And decent 70's stars like Shavers and Norton are no where to be found on Frazier's resume'