How Great Is Lennox Lewis's Resume?

[CarlosG815]

I found a video with JMaster and his take on classic films as well.

He's the one on the right.

[Jim Jeffries]

Heavyweight Champions with a better resume than Lennox Lewis are champions who have beaten great fighters who was "AT THE TOP OF THEIR GAME" not fighters who was years past their best or on the downside of their career.

Marciano - Charles (twice) Moore, LaStarza (twice) Savold, Layne, Vingo, Mathews.

Frazier - Quarry (twice), Bonavena (twice) Ellis, Bugner, Chuvalo, Machen.

Foreman - Norton, Chuvalo, Frazier, Moorer, Lyle.

Dempsey - Sharkey, Carpentier, Miske, Willard, Gibbons, Firpo, Fulton.

Johnson - Jeffries, Ketchel, O`Brien, Burns, Langford,

Liston - Williams, Patterson, Machen, Folley,

Muhammad Ali - beat the best.

Holmes - Witherspoon, L.Spinks, Cooney, Mercer, Norton, Berbick, Shavers.

Tyson - Ruddock, Bruno, Spinks, Tucker, Smith,

Holyfield - Bowe, Mercer, Douglas, Dokes, Qawi (twice)

All the above beat a champion who was at the top of his game and all defeated No1 contenders something Lennox Lewis never achieved.

You do realize that Jeffries hadn't fought in SIX YEARS, right?

Or did you miss that in your rush to discredit a great fighter like Lennox Lewis?

That and I see you've been quite ******* with your use of the term "great fighters".

[JMaster]

my only agenda against Lewis is enlightening idiots like yourself..
1/. i never bashed Lewis for fighting Holyfield, i said Holyfield was on the downside of his career and not at the top of his game when Lewis fought him and i feel Holyfield was `Robbed` of the decision in their rematch..

You're here for comedic value. Not to enlighten.

No matter how deep your hatred is, the fact remains that Holyfield was the #1 in the division and Lewis holds a win and a controversial draw over him.

2/. David Tua - i said Tua was `The fattest man to ever fight for the title` - yet you claim Tua was some kind of mythical-destroyer`who every fighter was terrified of, yet in reality he was a `Fat overweight bum`who other champions like Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Marciano, Dempsey etc would have little trouble taking care of.

If you knew anything about Samoans, you would know that a lot of them are naturally big and strong people. Tua was no different.

If he was fat, what does that make someone like Tony Galento? He was one of Louis' title defenses, wasn't he?

3/. Carlos i assume is calling you `delusional & ******` because of you trying to claim Lewis to be greater than what he actually achieved during his career, like how you have just claimed that it is `common among boxing historians`that Lewis is ATG Top 5 among heavyweights.. i have never seen Lewis mentioned in any boxing historians Top 10 never mind Top 5.. perhaps you could post me some links to verify your claim.

Carlos called me those things because he's unable to engage in a debate involving knowledge of the sport.

Plenty of people rating him in the top 5, especially top 10:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=135078

4/. Rocky Marciano was one of the greatest heavyweight champions of all times who beat several good and great fighters when they was at the Top of there Game.. Ezzard Charles (twice), Roland LaStarza (twice) Harry Mathews, Rex Layne, Lee Savold, Archie Moore, Carmine Vingo..

Charles was coming off of losses to Layne, Valdes and Johnson.

Moore was a natural light heavyweight.

Savold was coming off a knockout loss to a past-prime, old Louis.

Vingo was an unproven contender.

5/. The big difference between Lennox Lewis and other heavyweight champions is that Lewis never fought any fighter that was at the top of their game and that Lewis is the only undisputed champion in history to be `Stripped` of every version of the title for refusing to fight the No1 contenders.. like it or not it is correct!

You saying he never fought anyone at the top of their game, while saying Marciano did plenty of times is enough for me realize that your views are a joke.

[sonnyboyx2]

You're here for comedic value. Not to enlighten.

No matter how deep your hatred is, the fact remains that Holyfield was the #1 in the division and Lewis holds a win and a controversial draw over him.



If you knew anything about Samoans, you would know that a lot of them are naturally big and strong people. Tua was no different.

If he was fat, what does that make someone like Tony Galento? He was one of Louis' title defenses, wasn't he?





Carlos called me those things because he's unable to engage in a debate involving knowledge of the sport.

Plenty of people rating him in the top 5, especially top 10:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=135078



Charles was coming off of losses to Layne, Valdes and Johnson.

Moore was a natural light heavyweight.

Savold was coming off a knockout loss to a past-prime, old Louis.

Vingo was an unproven contender.



You saying he never fought anyone at the top of their game, while saying Marciano did plenty of times is enough for me realize that your views are a joke.

Ol`Holyfield was No1 in the division shows how pathetic the division was, Lewis holds a controversial win and a controversial draw with Holyfield.. the same Holyfield who in his next fight was floored by John Ruiz something Lewis never came near to doing in 2 fights, the same John Ruiz who Lennox Lewis was stripped of his WBA title for refusing to fight.

David Tua was way fatter than Tony Galento and Joe Louis butchered Galento whereas Lewis beat a grossly overweight Tua on a 12rd UD in a snoooozzer.

Where are these Boxing Historians you claim rank Lewis in their Top 5 ATG List?.... the link you posted was not an Historian it was just some random member on this site.

Charles was coming in off of beating the highly rated and dangerous contender Bob Satterfield in 2 brutal rounds. as well as a KO victory over highly ranked Coley Wallace as well as a home-town split decision lose to the brilliant Harold Johnson... so Charles was well deserving of a title shot unlike the unworthy bums who Lennox Lewis chose to defend his title against like Botha, Jackson, Butler, Mavrovic, Grant, Morrison & Rahman.

Archie Moore was coming in as the current Light-Heavyweight champion who was on a 21 fight win streak and "AT THE TOP OF HIS GAME"

Jersey Joe Walcott also fought Marciano when at the peak of his game having an excellent 6yrs run

Marciano fought his No1 contenders something Lennox Lewis was afraid to do for fear of being beaten so Lewis was Stripped of every version of the Heavyweight Title.

[JMaster]

Ol`Holyfield was No1 in the division shows how pathetic the division was, Lewis holds a controversial win and a controversial draw with Holyfield.. the same Holyfield who in his next fight was floored by John Ruiz something Lewis never came near to doing in 2 fights, the same John Ruiz who Lennox Lewis was stripped of his WBA title for refusing to fight.

David Tua was way fatter than Tony Galento and Joe Louis butchered Galento whereas Lewis beat a grossly overweight Tua on a 12rd UD in a snoooozzer.

Where are these Boxing Historians you claim rank Lewis in their Top 5 ATG List?.... the link you posted was not an Historian it was just some random member on this site.

Charles was coming in off of beating the highly rated and dangerous contender Bob Satterfield in 2 brutal rounds. as well as a KO victory over highly ranked Coley Wallace as well as a home-town split decision lose to the brilliant Harold Johnson... so Charles was well deserving of a title shot unlike the unworthy bums who Lennox Lewis chose to defend his title against like Botha, Jackson, Butler, Mavrovic, Grant, Morrison & Rahman.

Archie Moore was coming in as the current Light-Heavyweight champion who was on a 21 fight win streak and "AT THE TOP OF HIS GAME"

Jersey Joe Walcott also fought Marciano when at the peak of his game having an excellent 6yrs run

Marciano fought his No1 contenders something Lennox Lewis was afraid to do for fear of being beaten so Lewis was Stripped of every version of the Heavyweight Title.

I could argue with you all day long about this subject, but I have better things to do.

Hate all you want troll.

Lewis has a great resume and everyone knows it.

[Joeyzagz]

I seriously have to do that? Ok.

Muhammad Ali- lost to a guy with 7 fights PATHETIC. Served as a great punching bag for berbick and Larry Holmes. Ken Norton= Rahman, only famous because Ali made him that way.

Joe Frazier-Obliterated by foreman TWICE, ducked Shavers

Joe Louis-fought lots of bums because of the war, 3-3 records, guys with 39 losses. Good fighter but, was kd'd way more times than LL

George Foreman-Ducked Larry Holmes, does not have a single hof on his resume' other than midget frazier

Evander Holyfield- Id say his W resume' is comparable to LL, but he lost way too many fights. 43 wins and 10 losses is wildly inconsistent.

Mike Tyson- is a loser. If Douglas was an anomaly he shouldve proved it. Tyson ducked lennox in the mid 90's so this guy is null and void.

Rocky Marciano-Moore, Walcott, Charles, Louis had all knocked each other out before Marciano even showed up. They were all brain dead already. Ezzard Charles is a lightheavyweight, Moore was old, Louis was Ancient. Journeyman joe walcott was ko'd by ancient guy.

Larry Holmes-LOL Ali had just lost to a guy with 7 fights and then Holmes comes in for the kill. Holmes fought Ali's leftovers and Don Kings paper champs. He TRULY never beat one great prime fighter in his career.

Jack Dempsey- Didnt fight the prime Blacks of his era. Lost to tunney twice who was basically the same age as him.

Facts:

Lewis only had 4 losing scorecards out of a total 132.

Lewis only lost twice in his career, avenging them both, thus defeating every man he ever faced.

Lewis is one of 3 guys to retire as Heavyweight Champ of the world. Out of those 3 individuals he is the only man to defeat the dominant champ of the next era.

David Tua, Michael Grant Vitali Klitschko all have 3 losses or less and are still fighting 10 years after Lewis.

Rahman and Golota have only recently retired, Briggs and Holyfield are coming off KO victories and still active to this day.

[sonnyboyx2]

Facts:

Lewis only had 4 losing scorecards out of a total 132.

Lewis only lost twice in his career, avenging them both, thus defeating every man he ever faced.

Lewis is one of 3 guys to retire as Heavyweight Champ of the world. Out of those 3 individuals he is the only man to defeat the dominant champ of the next era.

David Tua, Michael Grant Vitali Klitschko all have 3 losses or less and are still fighting 10 years after Lewis.

Rahman and Golota have only recently retired, Briggs and Holyfield are coming off KO victories and still active to this day.

4 losing scorecards is a lot considering all the Tomato cans he fought.

Lewis got poleaxed by 2 journeymen - one of those journeymen (Rahman) was poleaxed twice by Oleg Maskaev and beaten to a pulp by old Holyfield, he then lost every round to John Ruiz before quitting against James Toney yet he KOd Lennox Lewis for a 100 count but was never able to KO any other of his opponents before or after poleaxing Lewis.

McCall was beaten by a couple of cruiserweights and a reformed drug-abuser before he poleaxed Lewis, he then lost his title to an old Frank Bruno.

Lewis was not undisputed heavyweight champion of the world when he retired - Lewis had been stripped of 2 of his belts for refusing to fight the No1 contenders and retired only 3 days before he was to be stripped of his last remaining belt, again for refusing to fight the No1 contender.... Tunney & Marciano can never be called or labelled as "Duckers"

Tua , Grant & Vitali have all had very long periods of inactivity with Tua & Grant only ever fighting glorified clubfighters or fighters not rated in the worlds Top 250

Rahman, Golota, Briggs & Holyfield are all old has-beens with more loses than wins on their records over the last 10yrs.

[sonnyboyx2]

I could argue with you all day long about this subject, but I have better things to do.

Hate all you want troll.

Lewis has a great resume and everyone knows it.

looks like you are waving the white towel

[General Zod]

Archie Moore was coming in as the current Light-Heavyweight champion who was on a 21 fight win streak and "AT THE TOP OF HIS GAME"

lmao
Moore was in his forties and was the veteran of over 150 fights, hardly at the top of his game

Jersey Joe Walcott also fought Marciano when at the peak of his game having an excellent 6yrs run

How can you be at the peak of your game when you are around 38 and have had over 100+ fights. He was at the end of his career and he retired after his second loss to Marciano

Marciano fought his No1 contenders something Lennox Lewis was afraid to do for fear of being beaten so Lewis was Stripped of every version of the Heavyweight Title.

lmao again
He retired because he had lost his passion to keep fighting, he retired at the right time unlike : Holyfield, Tyson, Hagler, Ali, Holmes, Frazier etc

[General Zod]

looks like you are waving the white towel

Whats the point of arguing with a guy who clearly has an agenda?