Dwight Muhamed Qawi called Marvin Hagler out

[mickey malone]

Originally Posted by r.burgundy
majority of haglers opponents were 5'8 while hagler was close to 5'10 with a monstrous reach.not to mention hagler was built like a tank and able to physically impose himself when he fought.

Thanks for the vids folks.. One can only explain the same thing to the same person, so many times.

[prinzemanspopa]

No, quite easily in fact, and without the use of steroids.
Hearns was also very comfortable skipping backwards and forwards from 154 to 160.. Amazing what the dieticians can do with an unaturally big welter!.. This was b4 using Dennis Andries as a punch bag and interrupting Virgil Hill, **** in the middle of his prime..
He looked massive compared to Andries; Hearns was more than comfortable at 175.

Is that why Hearns ended up weighing in at around the JMW limit in his next two fights(which were at 160) following the loss to Leonard?

both Hearns and Steward claimed that he could have continued as a WW but that there wasn't any point as there was no longer anyone worth fighting there.


Hearns weight gain occured after the loss to Hagler.He was noticably bigger in his return against James Schuler.

[r.burgundy]

What are you on?



Does this even look like a former WW, and one who was a 'small' WW at that? Was Paul Williams a small WW?

A small WW could not by any means move up to LHW and beat guys the likes of Dennis Andries and a prime, undefeated Virgil Hill. It just doesn't happen. Hearns was massive as a WW, JMW and even MW.

Nor does a fragile WW go from WW to CW over a long career, fighting everyone by being small at 147.

Jesus....The madness here sometimes.

this guy is massive lmao


here are several quotes on hearns frame

"Kronk fighters all tend to look like Ethiopian long-distance runners; the ****e-thin Hearns is the archetype."

this is a 1st hand account of hearns.something,you,jab,and malone dont have

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...74/3/index.htm

He had made these attributes work for him without a hitch and, whilst some may have wondered how his lanky frame would react when and if he was nailed with a hard shot on the chin, for the time being it was Hearns who was administering the KO inducing blows.

http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=9459&more=1

Hearns was one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in recent years and an All-Time great; He was tall and lean

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/thearns.htm

In the days before the fight, Hearns played baseball, changed his eating and exercise routine, and lost a few needed pounds. Steward said, "He didn't have enough energy. When he got hit in the sixth round, he was hurt. Tommy Hearns, who's got a good chin and never been hurt. But when he got hit this time, he didn't have nothing in his body to have resistance to the punch."

After that fight Hearns knew he had to further develop his ring skills and his body. Always slender and tall, his long arms gave him an advantageous reach,

http://www.answers.com/topic/tommy-hearns

but Hearns broke his right hand and was overwhelmed by the seemingly indestructible and physically stronger Hagler in the third round.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Hi...6118105?v=info

in conclusion benny,the only guys who seem to think hearns was a massive welter are you and your peanut gallery of jab an mickey lol.

[General Zod]

Hagler was a middleweight, we are talking a 15 pound difference here. Hagle called out some junior middleweights that's not the same thing plus Hagler was only doing that because the guys at middleweight he already beat. And he wanted a payday. There was not much catch weight fighting going on back then.

I think its really about principals, you shouldn't expect anyone to do things which you yourself are unwilling to do.

[r.burgundy]

Mofo's done got Benny tearing down ANYTHING they can come up with. Don't mess with the man, he a source. I'll bet all my points says Benny shreds any argument on this subject. All we got to do is take it to a poll. Benny vs trolls.....who wins? ALL my points. Any brave souls out there?

benny,benny,he's our man,if he cant do it,nobody can

[HaglerSteelChin]

Just a thing about their heights. Hearns was closer to 6 2 than the reported 6 1, and as mentioned Hagler was shorter than the 5 9 1/2 he is reported to be. Paul Williams is listed as 6 1, yet he stood taller than Kelly Pavlik who is listed as 6 2, PW is more closer to 6 3 than 6 1.

Qawi is listed as 5 5 1/2 to 5 7 depending on your source. If you watch every Holfyfield fight from fight 1 to his last fight, you will see that he was first listed as 6 1 or 6 1 1/2 and than all of a sudeen he is 6 2 1/2. To get to the point, Hagler was much shorter than Hearns. Hagler fought bigger guys often. The fighter Obeljimas(sp?) was taller and had a high KO percentage. He was seen as this bad MF until Hagler ate his best shots and knocked him out to oblivion. Roldan was bigger, Minter was bigger, Geraldo was bigger etc. Gee people act Hagler is like Paul Williams who calls out guys like Pacquiao and Mayweather. PW is much bigger than most WW's, Hagler was a small MW that i feel could have been succesful in three divisions-JMW, MW, and SMW. He could have possibly beat Qawi at LHW but i don't think he could have beated Spinks at LHW.

The whole issue of ducking is simply preposterous when used here. Once again, Holyfied went to the ring with ANY MF out there, He fought Tyson, Bowe, Lewis, Qawi, Deleon, Stewart, Ocasio, Foreman etc. Guess what? There are still Trolls who say he ducked Michael Spinks by moving up to Cruiser early in his career.

[JAB5239]

this guy is massive lmao


here are several quotes on hearns frame

"Kronk fighters all tend to look like Ethiopian long-distance runners; the ****e-thin Hearns is the archetype."

this is a 1st hand account of hearns.something,you,jab,and malone dont have

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...74/3/index.htm

He had made these attributes work for him without a hitch and, whilst some may have wondered how his lanky frame would react when and if he was nailed with a hard shot on the chin, for the time being it was Hearns who was administering the KO inducing blows.

http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=9459&more=1

Hearns was one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in recent years and an All-Time great; He was tall and lean

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/thearns.htm

In the days before the fight, Hearns played baseball, changed his eating and exercise routine, and lost a few needed pounds. Steward said, "He didn't have enough energy. When he got hit in the sixth round, he was hurt. Tommy Hearns, who's got a good chin and never been hurt. But when he got hit this time, he didn't have nothing in his body to have resistance to the punch."

After that fight Hearns knew he had to further develop his ring skills and his body. Always slender and tall, his long arms gave him an advantageous reach,

http://www.answers.com/topic/tommy-hearns

but Hearns broke his right hand and was overwhelmed by the seemingly indestructible and physically stronger Hagler in the third round.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Hi...6118105?v=info

in conclusion benny,the only guys who seem to think hearns was a massive welter are you and your peanut gallery of jab an mickey lol.

I'll let Benny finish tearing these arguments down, but I do want to say that its kind of funny that refuse to use your own seeing is believing method of arguing on this subject, when you've made such a big deal about it before. Just goes to show you are serving your own agenda and not that of objectivity.

[r.burgundy]

the tallest guy hagler fought was hearns,and hearns was fragile.fulicerbo or whatever his name was,was 6' tall and caveman lee was 5'11 but other than every last 1 of his foes was 5'9 and under.well i cant think of anymore off the top but either way,height is a huge factor in fights.

Ah, so it's you who wants to continue the size debate.. Well there's not a lot more you can say apart from Hagler never fought anyone over 6'1", Spinks was 2 inches taller, and he couldn't Ko the 9 inches shorter Qawi over 15 rounds.. I wonder why that was?.. Must have been something to do with the contrast in styles, but you don't want to discuss that do you?

hearns wasnt a natural lhw.he wasnt even a big ww.tall yes,big no.cintron,williams and rito are big welterweights.guys who come into the ring above 160.and as i pointed out earlier he never ko'd anybody of note above ww except for duran so he couldnt have been a natural lhw.he certainly had the skills to still win fights

Mark Medal at 154, Fred Hutchins at 154, Jeff McCracken at 160, James Schuler at 160, Juan Roldan at 160, Dennis Andries at 175, Andrew Maynard at 190, were all ko'd by the "small" welterweight, Thomas Hearns..
Andries was a 3 time champ at 175, Medal won a belt at 160 or 154.. Hutchins, Maynard, Schuler and Roldan were all top contenders.. In fact James 'Black Gold' Schuler was being tipped to fill Hagler's boots, until Hearns poleaxed him with a right hook in the very 1st round.. Schuler, another 'big' middleweight was unconscious for several minutes.


im not saying hagler ducked spinks or qawi.thats still a big difference in size.but hagler made his name off calling out the smaller guys.the truly great 1's prove it in the ring.hagler proved he was a great mw,but as far as being an atg regardless of class,i cant say that about him.

But, unbelievably, you are saying that Hagler is NOT an ATG..
He cleared out a whole division FFS!.. Then he took on the best p4p fighters, beating 2 of them, and according to many, had the better of Leonard too.. And before you say they were all smaller than Hagler, they all beat bigger men than Hagler, so once again, this proves beyond doubt that styles make fights and the size issue is hardly relevent..

mugabe is a seriuosly overated puncher.he never ko'd anybody of note at any class he was in.same with bennie briscoe,and as stated earlier hearns only significant ko was of a former lw duran

You obviously don't know diddly squat about Briscoe and tbh, I havn't got time to explain.. All I will say is that he was one of the most feared MW's in boxing history and would have probably been a world champion had it not been for Monzon and Hagler.
Besides, picking holes in opponents is easy ****.. I could sit here and say Quawi only ever beat 2 decent fighters and lost to all of the rest, but what does that prove?.. And you're also incorrect about Heans's significant KO's..
In summing up, I still say that if Hagler beefed up a little, he'd have the ideal style to defeat Muhammad Qawi.. I've already said that Spinks would be too fast & rangey and able to catch Marvin on the back foot, but Qawi would not be so adept at this in my opinion..

what does spinks not being able to ko qawi have to do with hagler?qawi was only ko'd by 2 of the greatest h.w in history in holy,and foreman.we can discuss the contrast in styles.its no doubt marvin is better than qawi from the outside but i dont believe he would be able to keep qawi at a distance for 12 rounds.

are keith holmes,hacine cerifi,andras galfi,henry brusels,felix flores fighters of note lol.i hope your not gonna say yes just for arguments sake.shuler died 2 weeks after the hearns fight,so how is he a fighter of note.roldan was a former mw and somehow he is of note lol.based on what.dude get real.like i said hearns nver stopped anybody of note above 47 other than duran.if he stopped hill,that wouldve been of note.not medal lol.

i cant wait to hear this 1.who of note has mugabi beat bigger than hagler?only fighter duran beat of note was barkley

hagler is 3rd on my mw list behind hopkins,and monzon.not sure where 3rd would get you on an atg list

[r.burgundy]

I'll let Benny finish tearing these arguments down, but I do want to say that its kind of funny that refuse to use your own seeing is believing method of arguing on this subject, when you've made such a big deal about it before. Just goes to show you are serving your own agenda and not that of objectivity.

so let me get this strait.benny can tear down an eye witness 1st hand account of hearns ????lmao.wow lol.you really are a cheerleader

[JAB5239]

so let me get this strait.benny can tear down an eye witness 1st hand account of hearns ????lmao.wow lol.you really are a cheerleader

so let me get this straight.....its ok to accept first hand eye witness accounts now as long as it serves your agenda? Lol.....just sayin!